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UPDATE: New Jersey utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from

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There may not be, but the article never states that. It is an article that is sorely lacking for important details.

This is the operative language of the article:

Another nonunion Decatur Utilities crew is idling in Roanoke, Va., waiting for instructions from Seaside Heights. The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down.
Electric repair work for public utilities in New Jersey is dominated by the International Brotherhood Of Electrical Workers, a unit of the politically powerful AFL-CIO.

Many parts of coastal New Jersey are projected to be without electric power for at least seven to 10 more days.


Read more: New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they're nonunion | The Daily Caller
 
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The temperatures drop below freezing in evenings starting this weekend. But New Jersey people are tough! Especially the old folks and little children. They don't need heat. Or lights. Or oxygen generators. And certainly don't need TV or Internet. Besides, they can burn candles and build camp fires inside easy enough. Just pass out cigarette lighters.
 
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Yes, but it doesn't state that the work isn't already being taken care of. This article is clearly neglectful of details and is completely one-sided on the issue.
Bs. If there was no work for them to do it would have been stated that they were turned away for lack of work.
Which most likely would not have been reported.
Nor did the article have to be more specific. We know there was a disaster and that help was needed and requested.



It would be the power companies. They are the ones who sign the contracts with the states. The unions make deals with the companies, then the companies make deals with the states they service.
No it would not be. The power company did not turn them away, the Union Workers did.
From the article.


UPDATE: Jersey Central Power & Light spokesman Ron Morano told Cablevision’s News12 on Friday that his company has accepted help from all crews. “We have not turned away any help,” he said. “Absolutely not.”

... other workers in a coastal New Jersey town told them they couldn’t lend a hand without a union card.

that crews in Seaside Heights, N.J. turned him and his crewmates away, saying they couldn’t do any work there because they’re not union employees.
 
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According to the anti-Unionistas, they're not.



You think there are no qualified people in New Jersey? Don't be ridiculous.

No one is claiming that there are not any qualified people or equipment in New Jersey.
 
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There may not be, but the article never states that. It is an article that is sorely lacking for important details.

No it isn't. You're sorely lacking in comprehension.
 
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Why are you assuming that they NEED the outside help to get what needs to be done in a timely fashion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of locals who are capable who are unemployed. Even if they aren't union workers, the local residents who ARE electricians, etc., should be offered the opportunity FIRST before bringing in out-of-staters who will not contribute much to the local economy.




You must be reading different news stories than the rest of us are. Because if you read the same news stories the rest of us have been reading and watching on tv then you would know that know that no state has enough qualified people and equipment to handle a disaster like that. There is nothing wrong with accepting outside help to help the local companies. Getting that power back up should be priority, not whining how unions are getting squeezed out.
 
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This is the operative language of the article:

Another nonunion Decatur Utilities crew is idling in Roanoke, Va., waiting for instructions from Seaside Heights. The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down.
Electric repair work for public utilities in New Jersey is dominated by the International Brotherhood Of Electrical Workers, a unit of the politically powerful AFL-CIO.

Many parts of coastal New Jersey are projected to be without electric power for at least seven to 10 more days.


Read more: New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they're nonunion | The Daily Caller

Right, the article does NOT say that is the reason why they were turned away. If you read the sentence carefully, it does not say that.

"The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down. Electric repair work for public utilities in New Jersey is dominated by the International Brotherhood Of Electrical Workers, a unit of the politically powerful AFL-CIO."

It simply states that they asked for help, later told them to stand down, and then it states that electric repair work is dominated by the electrical workers union, but it does NOT state that is THE reason for the ONLY reason. Like I said, the article lacks details and seems completely one-sided.
 
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No one is claiming that there are not any qualified people or equipment in New Jersey.

Oh okay. So if all the qualified union workers are working in the state, then why would they turn away FREE help if they really still need more people?

I think there is more to this story than this particular article says. Wouldn't be the FIRST time. That's for sure.
 
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Hasn't the time come to outlaw anyone being employed who doesn't have a union card like in some states?

Well of course not, we should be outlawing labor unions just like the Soviet Union did.
 
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Everyone got all worked up over a rumor that is completely false.

Huntsville, Joe Wheeler utilities deny claims of union discrimination during Sandy response (update) | al.com

I've been shuttling gasoline and personal goods to a host of friends in Manahakin and Toms River and Brick and have seen plenty of RTW state utility crews working.

If Seaside Heights refused outside help it wasn't a "union thing" it was because they are their "own thing", they have held out JPL (Jersey Power and Light) crews also . . .

What about THIS post that everyone seems to have ignored?
 
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Sorry, I don't have to time to address everyone who quoted me. I am trying to just sneak in here while I work when I have an extra minute or so.
 
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Oh okay. So if all the qualified union workers are working in the state, then why would they turn away FREE help if they really still need more people?

I think there is more to this story than this particular article says. Wouldn't be the FIRST time. That's for sure.


Weren't you or rocket88 just a few pages back talking about contracts, how there is this conspiracy to screw poor little unions by using out of state volunteers and how out of state volunteers are scabs?
 
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Right, the article does NOT say that is the reason why they were turned away. If you read the sentence carefully, it does not say that.

"The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down. Electric repair work for public utilities in New Jersey is dominated by the International Brotherhood Of Electrical Workers, a unit of the politically powerful AFL-CIO."

It simply states that they asked for help, later told them to stand down, and then it states that electric repair work is dominated by the electrical workers union, but it does NOT state that is THE reason for the ONLY reason. Like I said, the article lacks details and seems completely one-sided.

Okay, then why were they told to "stand down"?
 
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Weren't you or rocket88 just a few pages back talking about contracts, how there is this conspiracy to screw poor little unions by using out of state volunteers and how out of state volunteers are scabs?

No, I said this could easily be a case of the state trying to get freebie work at the expense of the union employees and even nonunion employees who reside in the state. That wouldn't be so unusual.
 
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What about THIS post that everyone seems to have ignored?

I hadn't seen it. If it didn't happen, if pros with equipment (outsiders) are being allowed to get power back on as an emergency, that's a good.

BUT do you now claim that they should NOT be allowing those outside non-union crews to be working?
 
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Okay, then why were they told to "stand down"?

Unfortunately, your article is lacking, so I wouldn't know since it is never clearly stated in the article. The only thing I see in the article is some assumptions being made, especially by the way it is worded in that paragraph that I quoted.
 
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No, I said this could easily be a case of the state trying to get freebie work at the expense of the union employees and even nonunion employees who reside in the state. That wouldn't be so unusual.

I think government should take all the "freebies" it can get.
 
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Unfortunately, your article is lacking, so I wouldn't know since it is never clearly stated in the article. The only thing I see in the article is some assumptions being made, especially by the way it is worded in that paragraph that I quoted.

If you had any common sense you'd know why they were told to "stand down".
 
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I hadn't seen it. If it didn't happen, if pros with equipment (outsiders) are being allowed to get power back on as an emergency, that's a good.

BUT do you now claim that they should NOT be allowing those outside non-union crews to be working?

Not at all, I am simply saying that the article is incomplete. It NEVER states that unions are the reason why those out-of-state workers were sent away. It assumes that it is why though. If they NEED outside crews, then I am SURE they wouldn't be turning them away. If they are doing that, the blame again would fall on the State of New Jersey. It is up to the state to make sure their residents are taken care of during emergency situations. If they signed a bad contract, that is on them.
 
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If you had any common sense you'd know why they were told to "stand down".

Common sense would tell you that it could be any number of reasons why, and that this article is not the be all/end all you seem to think it is.
 
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What about THIS post that everyone seems to have ignored?

Because when I read this part:

The general manager of the other department mentioned, Decatur Utilities, has since verified claims that his workers were asked to affiliate with a union.

I realized that it further substantiated the original claim...what is the point? That Huntsville Utilities was not turned away? That was stated in the original article...
 
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Because when I read this part:



I realized that it further substantiated the original claim...what is the point? That Huntsville Utilities was not turned away? That was stated in the original article...

If you go back the original OP article and click on the link, you will see this update. That is the extent of the update. The rest of the article is the "not updated" version.

UPDATE: Jersey Central Power & Light spokesman Ron Morano told Cablevision’s News12 on Friday that his company has accepted help from all crews. “We have not turned away any help,” he said. “Absolutely not.”

Read more: New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they're nonunion | The Daily Caller
 
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Leave it up to you to inject politics into a situation that should be about helping the people who's lives have been devastated.

Actually that is what the OP did.
 
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Okay. Looks like it was because of the fog.
 
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