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UPDATE: New Jersey utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers from

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It most certainly does and should. Think about if you were a local who has been out of work for maybe several years and are hurting for a job and money, then YOU get passed over for an out-of-state volunteer. That's effing sucky as hell!!! THAT is the state trying to get away with a freebie is all at the expense of it's local citizens. THAT is sick.

I do not agree that people should risk illness and death to get 2 weeks of temporary work for someone else. Maybe I'm wrong. I guess your point is the longer it takes to restore electricity, the longer the temporary unemployment lasts. I don't figure out until now you want the power out as long as possible to maximize local temporary employment potential.

How many weeks or months do you want families to be without power and fuel for the community good?

Claiming "freebies" for the community is at the expense of local citizens is nonsensical. Free is free.

Certainly they also should stop all those scab Red Cross people out too! Locals can do all that too.

How about we agree that NJ takes care of all its problems at it own expense and the rest of us forget about them? Fair deal?
 
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Whats the problem ? NJ has the if not the highest but one of the highest unemployment rates in the country they SHOULD hire NJians Union or Not before out of staters.
Good job. Way to continue your standard of kneejerk defense of unions without bothering to actually read what was in the article.

Utility crews from several states East of the Mississippi River hit the road this week to volunteer their time and talents in Northeastern states hit hard by Hurricane Sandy. But crews from Alabama got the shock of their lives when other workers in a coastal New Jersey town told them they couldn’t lend a hand without a union card.

Derrick Moore, who works for Decatur Utilities in Decatur, Ala., told WAFF-TV in Huntsville that crews in Seaside Heights, N.J. turned him and his crewmates away, saying they couldn’t do any work there because they’re not union employees.

Another nonunion Decatur Utilities crew is idling in Roanoke, Va., waiting for instructions from Seaside Heights. The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down.

Read more: New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they're nonunion | The Daily Caller

Volunteer. Help. Assist those suffering. Turned away by Unions. People still struggling, suffering, freezing.
 
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I do not agree that people should risk illness and death to get 2 weeks of temporary work for someone else. Maybe I'm wrong. I guess your point is the longer it takes to restore electricity, the longer the temporary unemployment lasts. I don't figure out until now you want the power out as long as possible to maximize local temporary employment potential.

How many weeks or months do you want families to be without power and fuel for the community good?

Claiming "freebies" for the community is at the expense of local citizens is nonsensical. Free is free.

Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers? I think it is because there are still skilled unemployed people that could handle the work but haven't been asked. If you can prove otherwise, then please post me a link.
 
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Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers? I think it is because there are still skilled unemployed people that could handle the work but haven't been asked. If you can prove otherwise, then please post me a link.

If they don't need them, then there is no issue on either side, is there? You really should email the media complaining of the horrific lies they are falsely telling about power being out.
 
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Good job. Way to continue your standard of kneejerk defense of unions without bothering to actually read what was in the article.

Utility crews from several states East of the Mississippi River hit the road this week to volunteer their time and talents in Northeastern states hit hard by Hurricane Sandy. But crews from Alabama got the shock of their lives when other workers in a coastal New Jersey town told them they couldn’t lend a hand without a union card.

Derrick Moore, who works for Decatur Utilities in Decatur, Ala., told WAFF-TV in Huntsville that crews in Seaside Heights, N.J. turned him and his crewmates away, saying they couldn’t do any work there because they’re not union employees.

Another nonunion Decatur Utilities crew is idling in Roanoke, Va., waiting for instructions from Seaside Heights. The town asked them days ago for help, but later told the workers to stand down.

Read more: New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they're nonunion | The Daily Caller

Volunteer. Help. Assist those suffering. Turned away by Unions. People still struggling, suffering, freezing.


The town asked for help, but then the Union said they won't tolerate it. Hmmmm?

If even one elderly person or child dies for lack of electricity, it will be outright murder by the the local Union president and the politicians going along with it.
 
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If they don't need them, then there is no issue on either side, is there?

Let's not also forget, that a lot of these things take place because of contracts that the state signed in agreement with the unions.
 
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Let's not also forget, that a lot of these things take place because of contracts that the state signed in agreement with the unions.

President Obama said to waive all the red tape and do whatever it takes to help the people.
 
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Let's not also forget, that a lot of these things take place because of contracts that the state signed in agreement with the unions.

I agree. The problem is the contracts. I wrote that some time back on this thread.
 
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[/QUOTE=ChrisL;1061095068]What in the hell does this have to do with Obama? This is about out-of-state workers coming in to take jobs from locals.[/QUOTE]

Its not just about jobs, its about capacity, equipment and availability. The unemployed electrical workers most will not have the equipment nesseary to do line work ei Heavy equipment like line trucks ect.. The line trucks from out of state also have crews with them and the crews have been together. Remember that hiring people takes time, time to hire, time to orientate, time to evaluate, time to get equiped, and be mated with heavy equipment and time to get to the downed lines. These people from out of state already have done almost all of that. There will be plenty of work and time after to hire locals, but the power lines have to be back on line as quick as possible so the rest of the community can start conducting business again. Thats why I find the unions turning the volunteers away assine.
 
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Certification is important. Unions are accountable for the work that is done. It's like board certification for doctors. Why would you use the services of people whose training is questionable?

I wouldn't want a gynecologist to do open heart surgery and on and on and on.
 
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Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers? I think it is because there are still skilled unemployed people that could handle the work but haven't been asked. If you can prove otherwise, then please post me a link.

And yet, you won't provide stats to back up what you think...

Go figure.
 
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Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers? I think it is because there are still skilled unemployed people that could handle the work but haven't been asked. If you can prove otherwise, then please post me a link.

Utilities in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania so far have asked for 803 workers from Virginia's largest power company. Dominion Virginia Power has already dispatched 21 specialized network linemen to help in New York.

Virginia Power sending crews to Northeast | Richmond Times-Dispatch

Keep spinning...
 
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I agree. The problem is the contracts. I wrote that some time back on this thread.

The President said to waive all the red tape. Are you telling us contracts are worth more than human lives after the President said to waive it?
 
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Or these:

The utility has been asking for mutual aid from other utilities and has sent 200 linemen from its Ohio operations to the East Coast and 1,000 support personnel.

FirstEnergy closely monitoring superstorm Sandy - News - Copley-Fairlawn
Jersey Central Power & Light grabbed more than 200 linemen and 1,000 support personnel from an Ohio sister company…

"Connecticut Light and Power asked for 2,200 mutual aid lineman," LaRossa said.

Wanted: Thousands of workers to help with Sandy, job starts ASAP | NJ.com

Con Edison expects restoration to last throughout the week. The company has been securing mutual aid from utilities in several states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Massachusetts.

Con Edison: newsroom - news release - Con Edison Continues Working to Restore Service


I can do this all day…
 
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So? What does this prove? The thread is about Alabama workers being turned away from New Jersey. Your articles do NOT prove the reasons why these particular workers were turned away. I don't know what you think I'm spinning simply because I ask for a link, but whatever.
 
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So? What does this prove? The thread is about Alabama workers being turned away from New Jersey. Your articles do NOT prove the reasons why these particular workers were turned away. I don't know what you think I'm spinning simply because I ask for a link, but whatever.
You can do it all day...true story. I dont know that you can make yourself look any sillier in the blind defense of OBVIOUS union stupidity...but you can certainly continue to reenforce it all day long.

The fact is that volunteer workers were turned away because they didnt have a union card. People are struggling and suffering but its more important to make some sort of idiotic stand about unions over the needs of the people.
 
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You can do it all day...true story. I dont know that you can make yourself look any sillier in the blind defense of OBVIOUS union stupidity...but you can certainly continue to reenforce it all day long.

The fact is that volunteer workers were turned away because they didnt have a union card. People are struggling and suffering but its more important to make some sort of idiotic stand about unions over the needs of the people.

Well, how does this story even make sense when the articles that were supplied stated that there are ALREADY other workers from other states present and doing work, or at least getting ready to. It says NOTHING about those workers being turned away. Why is that?
 
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Those articles kind of contradict this thread. Don't you think?
 
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So? What does this prove? The thread is about Alabama workers being turned away from New Jersey. Your articles do NOT prove the reasons why these particular workers were turned away. I don't know what you think I'm spinning simply because I ask for a link, but whatever.

Sorry, when you asked:
Do you really think that if all the local community "resources" were used up, that they would have turned down volunteers?

You inferred that they didn’t need the volunteers…I merely posted links to the local utilities requesting the volunteers…presumably because ‘all the local community “resources” HAD been used up…that is all.
 
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Well, how does this story even make sense when the articles that were supplied stated that there are ALREADY other workers from other states present and doing work, or at least getting ready to. It says NOTHING about those workers being turned away. Why is that?
Perhaps because those other workers were union workers. And how does that change the fact that you are now looking for ways to defend it? The articles state VOLUNTEERS are working throughout the east coast because those states and towns care more about the people huddling in a corner of their house than some idiotic union thug policy.
 
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Those articles kind of contradict this thread. Don't you think?

How so? That they asked for volunteers but only a 'certain' kind of volunteers...I'm sure the union popularity took a hit...at least from those who are without power...;)
 
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