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    I just dont understand it

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    I noticed that you were petrified at dealing with the other points raised in my post

    Thats understandable - you deny the chains that encircle your limbs and shut your ears to the rattle of your corporate ball thar drags behind you

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

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    Ohh is that Jessica Alaba? I like. What can I say I lead a very boring life nowadays. I pefer it that way. Thanks for the picks. Now I am off to get more popcorn.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Should of took the offer to quit when I offered.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you kidding? I said, as I have from the beginning, the UNION members. I never said everyone who is out of work. You see, there you go assuming and putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, and this is really getting just plain stupid. It's like you are trying to find an argument where there is nothing to argue about.
    Here we go again.
    Typical distraction.

    Wrong! False. However you want to call it, you are wrong.

    It is you who are obviously assuming.
    And I haven't put a single word in your mouth. So knock off the false accusations.
    And no, I am not kidding!



    It seems as though you are either purposely playing a game, intentionally being dishonest, or just have no idea what you previously argued.
    Which one is it?
    I am beginning to suspect it is a little of all three.

    And make no mistake about it folks, the above is just another attempt at distraction.


    So in reply to your ridiculous assertions, we have the following.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are more than enough "trained" people that already exist in NJ that could handle the work. ...

    I care about giving the people who live in those communities the opportunity for the work FIRST. A lot of people are DYING for a job and work and money.
    Were you specifically talking about Union members in this quote?
    If so, why weren't you specific?
    Since you weren't, why are you attempting to distract with this bs because I wasn't specific by saying "Union members"?



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is about out-of-state workers coming in to take jobs from locals.
    How about in the above quote?
    Again, the same question as to why you demand I be specific when you were not?




    Or how about the following?


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The work should be offered to the local residents first. It doesn't matter whether it is temporary or permanent. There are plenty of capable unemployed people in the area.
    Local residents first? Is this you only referring to Union Members also?
    Again same question as before.




    Or how about this one?
    Were you referring to Union Members when you specifically said the following?


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why are you assuming that they NEED the outside help to get what needs to be done in a timely fashion. Like I said, there are PLENTY of locals who are capable who are unemployed. Even if they aren't union workers, the local residents who ARE electricians, etc., should be offered the opportunity FIRST before bringing in out-of-staters who will not contribute much to the local economy.


    You absolutely referred to those out of work as I said, and not just Union members as you assert.

    And since I see it coming, I might as well head it off now.

    First of all I never said "everyone" out of work as you apparently think I say you stated, I said "those out of work".
    Secondly. "Those" out of work, specifically refers to the ones you were saying were "unemployed".
    Do you need anymore clarification?







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    BTW, I hate how you break every sentence up into a new paragraph. It makes it more work to quote you, but far be it for me to tell you how to type, so carry on. Just saying.
    That's nice. Just saying.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are wrong and obviously can not admit it.
    What a shame.
    I was keeping abreast of the topic and the argument changed as the information did.
    And the hackery was from those on the left as shown.
    The hackery was from you and now that you have been proven wrong, you refuse to demonstrate any integrity and admit it.



    Now you are on to dishonesty. What a shame.
    Now you're on to dishonesty and denial. Predictable.



    You really aren't reading what you reply to are you?
    Saying they received bad info, (which it was) and that bad info being a reason they left, is not saying they were turned away.
    Or do you truly not understand that?
    Oh, I've read that. In fact, I've SAID it. I've also read you changing your tune to blame the unions rather than the power company.

    Holy mother of megatroid.
    It was in the quote. I didn't need to repeat what I quoted.
    Did I? Of course not.

    Pay attention. It was in the quote.
    You dismissed the quote with your own comments... demonstrating your lack of integrity and hackery.


    Au contraire, actually showing you are wrong, and being hackish in your assertions.
    No, I exposed your hackishness. So, are you going to admit you erred, yet?
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Surely you have an inability to read what was posted.
    I provided said info before you did.
    Which means you didn't prove anything.
    No, I provided the complete information after you from the Alabama company itself... dispelling your claim that the unions were the issue. Please try some honesty, here.



    I am sure that as soon as the leftist hacks admit that their position of supporting the Union turning volunteers away during disaster recovery as initially reported, was wrong, you will get what ever right wing hacks that you think there are to admit to the information in the quotes that I provided long before you.
    So, that would be a no, I suppose. Always good to know when someone refuses to demonstrate integrity as you have.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, I did post both before and after the update. And yes, I could/should have revisited the WAAF-TV website and this is my mistake. Frankly after an initial perusal of links provided here on DP I rarely go back to check for updates..do you? As to your ‘skepticism’ of the Daily Caller, I understand this which is why I used the original source in #8. My second link to the similar situation reported in the Daily Caller didn’t include links but DID include person’s names and not the nefarious ‘unknown sources’. I too recognize the specious nature of many of the links furnished by posters on both sides of the isle. As to the ‘liberal evil/conservative good’ you sir misjudge me as I certainly do not feel this way. My reaction was not based on partisanship nor is it my way to do so. I firmly believe in the two (or more) party system and truly appreciate there are ‘left wing hacks’ to balance our ‘right wing hacks’.
    Thank you. I respect all that you have said above. My perception of you based on other posts has been that you perceive things as "evil liberal, good conservative". It IS entirely possible that I misjudged that, and your civil reply shall make me rethink that.

    If there are other errors in my views on this issue please point them out and I will graciously admit my error.
    I think anything that I believed was an error, I posted.

    Ultimately my argument was against ‘preferred volunteers’ in this tragedy. I understand Chris’ position and respect it but suffice to say that the NEXT time our power is off for 5 days (or 2 or 3 which is common out here in the boonies) I don’t care if the line crew who shows up to fix it is union or not…

    Note my opinion in #336.
    I agree. In times of crisis, screw the union rules. I have a lot of respect for unions, but if they have rules in place that prevent people from getting help, then THAT'S where my support ends. Fortunately, this is not happening here in NJ.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Governor Christie did what he could to put the union/Alabama volunteers situation in perspective. It was a one-off, and I am going to accept what he said about this being the result of "bad communication."

    Meanwhile, what really matters tonight is that it's very cold with a nor'easter coming in. Our fellow Americans are powerless and toiletless and cold and could use the positive thoughts/prayers of those of us who will be sleeping in our beds tonight and warm or cool enough, those of us who have a way to get to work in the morning.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The hackery was from you and now that you have been proven wrong, you refuse to demonstrate any integrity and admit it.
    The hackery is all yours at this point with your false claims and dishonesty.

    I can not be proven wrong when it was I who provided, and sited the information to begin with.

    You coming along after the fact, doesn't change that, or the fact that it was I who acknowledged and stated such before you.
    I was the one who brought notice to it.
    Not you.
    But please continue in your absurdity. It is hilarious.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    on to dishonesty and denial. Predictable.
    Yes you were, as pointed out.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, I've read that. In fact, I've SAID it.

    Yes you did, after I did.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've also read you changing your tune to blame the unions rather than the power company.
    And?
    That is how the story progressed.
    Changing my tune? No. Recognizing the change and no longer arguing it is more correct.

    Which is exactly what a person is supposed to do, and yet you, in what is an unquestionable hackish attempt, want to say it is somehow a fault.
    Strange to say the least.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You dismissed the quote with your own comments... demonstrating your lack of integrity and hackery.
    False! I did not dismiss said quote.
    Thereby a clear and indisputable demonstration of your dishonesty, lack of integrity, as well as your hackery.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I exposed your hackishness.
    And again!
    Au contraire, actually showing you are wrong, and being hackish in your assertions.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, are you going to admit you erred, yet?
    I have nothing to admit to that I previously didn't show and take notice of. Which is exactly what a person is supposed to do as the story progresses.
    And between the two of us, you are the one who needs to admit to erring as it has been repeatedly shown that you did.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I provided the complete information after you from the Alabama company itself... dispelling your claim that the unions were the issue. Please try some honesty, here.
    Yes, indeed! You do need to try out some of this honesty that you speak of, because clearly it escapes you.
    My quote of the
    "Official Press Release", which came long before you and what you provided, shows that I provided said information before you did.
    And the fact that this changed what the story was, also changed the argument.
    Far be it from you to recognize that in your hackish attempt.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, that would be a no, I suppose. Always good to know when someone refuses to demonstrate integrity as you have.
    The obvious showing of a lack of integrity isn't coming from this side.
    The evidence proves that.

    So yes, it is always good to know when someone refuses to demonstrate integrity as you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    More of your irrelevent bs...hiring NJerseyans first does not hurt the devestated...it helps them with faster response and helps the state recover by hiring thier own who will pay TAXS on it
    The out of state crews still need to eat and stay somewhere, so will contribute to the local economy.
    As to how this could hurt, let's just say NJ can field 10,000 line workers, and those workers can get services restored 360 hours.
    By adding 10,000 out of state crews they may shave off 5 or 6 days till full service.
    Anyone who dies because of the longer time frame, would be harmed!
    And now there is a storm coming in, time was critical, lives were at stake, and they were turning away qualified help.

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    It is now over 1 week, and over 1 million people in New Jersey still do not have electricity, heat, water or sewage with temperatures dropping below freezing.

    What Obama and Christie are now praising each about for doing a great job - is keeping their priorities straight. All the matters is keeping non-union workers from other states having and doing work. Save the unions, let the people freeze and die.

    ^ That is the true spirit of America now. Unite against freezing old people on behalf of closed-shop required paying union dues at all costs as literally a life and death crusade..

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