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    you clearly have never even known anyone who does lineman work...it is hard and dangerous, and you don't get qualified to do this kind of work in just a few weeks...
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    Good news from a pal of mine in Hoboken NJ his power got turned on today

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

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    And, as quoted, that bad information lead to their leaving.

    Which shouldn't have happened.

    However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday.

    And "much ado about nothing" is ridiculous as those on the left who were trying to defend the actions, had they actually been turned away, which isn't and wasn't justifiable as those on the left have tried to make it.
    But let's all forget about the ridiculousness of the position that those on the left took and blame those on the right instead, huh? Hackery at it's finest is what that is.

    And since it is now only that they had been given bad information which basically turned them away, you want to claim that there is no legs? Absurd. It shouldn't have happened and it did. That is the story.
    The only hackery being presented is yours. I LIVE in NJ and I have been following this story. No one was turned away... that's the misrepresentation that the extreme rightwing hacks are presenting. The quotes that you made tell part of the story. No one was turned away; while the crew was waiting for clarification on how to proceed. They received a report that they WRONGFULLY believed was from the NJ IEBW that implied a requirement of their employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. While waiting for that clarification, they realized that Seaside Heights had received the help requested from other sources. There are plenty of crews from California, Michigan, Ohio, and all throughout the state. I've seen them. A crew from Michigan restored my power, yesterday. And companies are accepting non-union crews without a problem. The issue was that the report was NOT from the IEBW, but from the Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities being concerned about non-union workers. Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

    Here is the ACCURATE story from Alabama:

    DECATUR, AL (WAFF) - A Decatur Utilities crew left Alabama to help with storm recovery in New Jersey, but did not make the trip because of what they are now calling confusion over union paperwork.


    The six-man crew staged in Virginia, but Decatur Utilities said they were never able to get in touch with officials or utility companies in New York or New Jersey. While the crew stood down in Virginia, Decatur Utilities officials claimed they received a union contract they thought they would have to agree to before helping storm victims.
    General Manager Ray Hardin appeared on Fox Business Channel Friday morning saying, "We were presented documents from IBEW that required our folks to affiliate with the unions and that was something we could not agree to."
    Decatur Utilities later released a statement expanding on that, "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas."
    Late Friday at a press conference, Hardin said the documents actually came from Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities.
    Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.
    Hardin said as they waited for confirmation on the documents, crews received word that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources.
    "At this stage, it is not clear who is alleged to have turned the crew away and the company that employs the affected workers has denied the claim," said IBEW President Ed Hill in a statement. "IBEW local leaders in New Jersey have reiterated what has been the long standing record of our union – in times of crisis all help is welcome and we pull together with everyone to meet the needs of the public. We have communicated this to the office of New Jersey Governor Christie as well."
    The crew from Decatur Utilities attempted to look for work in other areas, but Hardin said based on the uncertainty of other union requirements, they made the decision to return home after being stalled in Virginia most of the day Thursday.
    Other utility crews from Alabama are still helping with storm cleanup. Huntsville Utilities said they were not turned away and are in Long Island, New York. Joe Wheeler EMC said they did not respond to New Jersey, but did travel to Maryland and headed home once they were finished.

    Confusion causes utility crew to return from recovery effort - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL


    The video also indicates that there was no contact between the Alabama crew and NJ unions. The representative admits that the document came from Alabama Electric and he decided to pull his crew based on being confused by it and timing.

    Also, the "confusing" agreement that was being discussed was with the IEBW... the NATIONAL organization. NJ local IEBW has consistently said that they will accept non-union workers in times of crisis; there are plenty of non-union workers there right now. There was never any contact between Alabama and local NJ workers.

    Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
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    Re: UPDATE: New Jersey utility denies turning away nonunion electric crew volunteers

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    The only hackery being presented is yours. I LIVE in NJ and I have been following this story. No one was turned away... that's the misrepresentation that the extreme rightwing hacks are presenting. The quotes that you made tell part of the story. No one was turned away; while the crew was waiting for clarification on how to proceed. They received a report that they WRONGFULLY believed was from the NJ IEBW that implied a requirement of their employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. While waiting for that clarification, they realized that Seaside Heights had received the help requested from other sources. There are plenty of crews from California, Michigan, Ohio, and all throughout the state. I've seen them. A crew from Michigan restored my power, yesterday. And companies are accepting non-union crews without a problem. The issue was that the report was NOT from the IEBW, but from the Electric Cities of Alabama, a coalition of the state's municipally owned utilities being concerned about non-union workers. Bottom line, it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers.

    Here is the ACCURATE story from Alabama:



    The video also indicates that there was no contact between the Alabama crew and NJ unions. The representative admits that the document came from Alabama Electric and he decided to pull his crew based on being confused by it and timing.

    Also, the "confusing" agreement that was being discussed was with the IEBW... the NATIONAL organization. NJ local IEBW has consistently said that they will accept non-union workers in times of crisis; there are plenty of non-union workers there right now. There was never any contact between Alabama and local NJ workers.

    Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
    I saw a convoy of power trucks from North Carolina the other day in Maryland headed north on I95, so they certainly seem to accepting help. It also fits with what you say that they will work with nonunion workers in a crisis.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    ...Right wing hacks always get this sort of stuff wrong. They just don't research because of their partisan blinders. I'm glad I could correct all of the misinformation in this thread.
    Since the update, with which you make this assertion, wasn't published until 11:43 on Saturday morning AND MANY of the posts in this thread were before this update how exactly COULD us 'right wing hacks' have performend this research?

    May I ask you, since you are so estute at performing said research, to work you skills rebuting this one?

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/02/th...to-join-union/

    I found this most interesting:

    “It turns out there was a 300-page contract that the union controlling LIPA [the Long Island Power Authority] wanted everybody to sign first,” the utility worker, who wanted to remain anonymous, said. “We don’t have time for that. We’ve got guys ready to go. You need lawyers for this.”
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Since the update, with which you make this assertion, wasn't published until 11:43 on Saturday morning AND MANY of the posts in this thread were before this update how exactly COULD us 'right wing hacks' have performend this research?

    ...pathetic
    YOU posted after the update... several hours in fact. Guess you couldn't be bothered to check... you'd prefer to just believe the "liberal evil, conservative good" edict regardless of accuracy. Excon has the excuse that he didn't post after 12:43... but perhaps you "right wing hacks" might not have reacted so quickly with your partisanship. And, let's see which of you shows some integrity and admits they were wrong. Then I can indicate who is and is not pathetic.
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