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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Have we established that the entire storm in a teacup thing was a rightwing lie yet?

    Huntsville, Joe Wheeler utilities deny claims of union discrimination during Sandy response (update) | al.com

    Keeping the fear alive....
    Except that entirely it wasn't.
    They were still mislead which resulted in their not helping. Which is the gist of the story.
    From your above link.


    The general manager of the other department mentioned, Decatur Utilities, has since verified claims that his workers were asked to affiliate with a union.

    And your above link, links to the following entry which contains the press release.

    "Decatur Utilities sent a 6-man crew to the Northeast Wednesday, October 31, bound for Seaside Heights, N.J., to assist with power restoration. Communication with Seaside Heights was poor due to lack of cell phone service in the area. Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas. As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources. To be clear, at no time were our crews 'turned away' from the utility in Seaside Heights.

    "In connection with state and regional public power associations, Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance. However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday."

    Decatur Utilities verifies claims workers were asked to affiliate with union before aiding storm victims (update) | al.com

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That really isn't the point.
    Many of you find it perfectly fine, that this situation were true.

    Completely unreal.
    Nope, many of us just think that the residents should get first dibs on any work. Then, if you need something or somebody extra, you bring in your volunteers.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think it's crazy at all. What's the problem with hiring the people who are most affected? It certainly wouldn't take longer to get them. What's the objection?
    Nope? Nope?
    Crazy? Of course the position you have taken for a situation such as this is.
    The Unions do not take precedent is disaster recovery.

    Which is something that you should have understood when it was reported that the actual Union did not turn them away.




    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is what the unions do. BIG jobs.
    WTH?
    Unions are representational bodies, not contractors.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is just one reason why the story is not complete. It doesn't say if they have enough help already or if they still need help. It only says that union turned them away (in Maggie's link). It doesn't say why though.
    First of all, the article did say why. They were non-union. And this was already pointed out to you over a hundred posts before this one of yours.

    Secondly, the article doesn't have to say if there was enough help. As has also already been pointed out to you (you know, over a hundred posts ago), we know there was a disaster and that help was needed. The article doesn't have to state the obvious.

    And since it has again been pointed out to you, hopefully you wont resort to using such a ridiculous argument again.

    The article didn't say, oy vey!

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How many statements from the people who were supposed to have been turned away, saying it never happened, does it take to nail the lie?
    The problem with your statement is that it isn't entirely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The story is not true. Nobody was turned away.
    Er...uh, you may want to call Governor Christie and inform him of that...



    They were still mislead by being told they had to affiliate with a union. A ridiculous requirement.


    "Decatur Utilities sent a 6-man crew to the Northeast Wednesday, October 31, bound for Seaside Heights, N.J., to assist with power restoration. Communication with Seaside Heights was poor due to lack of cell phone service in the area. Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas. As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources. To be clear, at no time were our crews 'turned away' from the utility in Seaside Heights.

    "In connection with state and regional public power associations, Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance. However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday."

    Decatur Utilities verifies claims workers were asked to affiliate with union before aiding storm victims (update) | al.com

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Nope? Nope?
    Crazy? Of course the position you have taken for a situation such as this is.
    The Unions do not take precedent is disaster recovery.

    Which is something that you should have understood when it was reported that the actual Union did not turn them away.





    WTH?
    Unions are representational bodies, not contractors.



    First of all, the article did say why. They were non-union. And this was already pointed out to you over a hundred posts before this one of yours.

    Secondly, the article doesn't have to say if there was enough help. As has also already been pointed out to you (you know, over a hundred posts ago), we know there was a disaster and that help was needed. The article doesn't have to state the obvious.

    And since it has again been pointed out to you, hopefully you wont resort to using such a ridiculous argument again.

    The article didn't say, oy vey!
    So who handles insurance for these workers?

    Who takes responsibility for property damage, etc, during the work?
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So who handles insurance for these workers?

    Who takes responsibility for property damage, etc, during the work?
    The utility company they work for.
    They're most likely on their dime, using their equipment.

    This stuff has largely been sorted out, way beforehand.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

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    I'm now convinced that rats are more intelligent than human beings. At least they go elsewhere when impending doom is near. Seriously, if staying there means you're going to die, go somewhere safer, build a fire, scavenge for food. Something other than waiting for somebody else to do something.
    I'm befuddled by the "small-government" people who are distraught over the government not saving everybody.


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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So who handles insurance for these workers?

    Who takes responsibility for property damage, etc, during the work?
    Harry Guerrilla's answer is fine and most likely an accurate answer.

    "We were not turned away," he said. "It's a lot more complicated than that. ... but it's not a situation where everybody jumps in truck and heads up there. You have to work through trade associations. You have mutual-aid agreements and you've got to find a system that needs you and is able to take you."

    ... "You don't just go up there and say, 'Hey, we're here. We're going to start putting up poles for you."

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    "We've been through enough of these situations," he said. "We know how these things work."

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Those facts only the Right Wingers know. REally really scary.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How many statements from the people who were supposed to have been turned away, saying it never happened, does it take to nail the lie?
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Harry Guerrilla's answer is fine and most likely an accurate answer.

    "We were not turned away," he said. "It's a lot more complicated than that. ... but it's not a situation where everybody jumps in truck and heads up there. You have to work through trade associations. You have mutual-aid agreements and you've got to find a system that needs you and is able to take you."

    ... "You don't just go up there and say, 'Hey, we're here. We're going to start putting up poles for you."

    [...]

    "We've been through enough of these situations," he said. "We know how these things work."
    You are absolutely correct. The local utility companies have their service areas mapped out and know what order things need to be repaired in. A volunteer team cannot simply drive around looking for downed power lines, etc. and fix them without the utility companies knowing what has been fixed. Repairs have to be planned out, certain areas have to be fixed first before other areas can be fixed.

    Take a non-running car, for example, you run a diagnostic on it to determine where the issue is. Let's say you determine there is a part on the engine that needs to be replaced located on the side of the engine where it can't be accessed. You now have to take the engine out to get to the part. You can't just reach in and replace the part and everything's ok. It's the same with utilities. You have follow a certain order and restore things from point A to point B before you even think of getting to points D, E or F.
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