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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know what is so hard to understand about the word "first." That doesn't mean "only." There is a BIG difference between those words. I mean to make sure that all of the local people who are skilled and out of work should be given work. It wouldn't take ANY longer.

    So I guess this means some of you must agree with outsourcing jobs, because that is what it is if you don't hire the local people and just outsource to get it cheaper or free.
    It has nothing to do with outsourcing and has everything to do with normalizing people's lives in a disaster event.
    Delaying recovery and charitable aid, to possibly offer some temporary jobs to locals, is retarded.

    It literally defies reason, that anyone would argue such a position.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It has nothing to do with outsourcing and has everything to do with normalizing people's lives in a disaster event.
    Delaying recovery and charitable aid, to possibly offer some temporary jobs to locals, is retarded.

    It literally defies reason, that anyone would argue such a position.
    What I suggested would not delay anything. The unions know how many guys are on the bench.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What I suggested would not delay anything.
    Yes it would, getting new line workers takes time and paperwork, often includes additional training.
    Regardless of the story's truthfulness, supporting such a position, as you have, makes virtually no sense.

    Do you really think the majority of people give two ****s if the guy who fixes their power issues is a local union member or not?
    Most likely no, they'd just be grateful that they could have power again.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes it would, getting new line workers takes time and paperwork, often includes additional training.
    Regardless of the story's truthfulness, supporting such a position, as you have, makes virtually no sense.

    Do you really think the majority of people give two ****s if the guy who fixes their power issues is a local union member or not?
    Most likely no, they'd just be grateful that they could have power again.
    Some of those people ARE local union members, so yes I'm sure there are people who do care. People who are ALREADY qualified. The number of qualified people is besides the point. I just said to make sure that those who are qualified are given a job too.

    Are you saying there are no already qualified people in the local area who are out of work? People who don't have to be trained.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some of those people ARE local union members, so yes I'm sure there are people who do care. People who are ALREADY qualified. The number of qualified people is besides the point. I just said to make sure that those who are qualified are given a job too.
    So you're in an area that is without power, running water, you're in a shelter running on generators.
    Gas supplies are unreliable at best, but by god, the guy who fixes the power lines better be a local union worker.

    Me thinks your priorities are screwed up.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you saying there are no already qualified people in the local area who are out of work? People who don't have to be trained.
    We don't know, but we do know, that there are people available to help restore power now, with training and equipment.
    1 in the hand, is worth more than 2 on the bush.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    It would be the union who is upset, correct? Why? Because they have guys that are still out of work and could be put to work instead of outsourcing the work? That is what I got out of the story.

    I don't think that is wrong. And this would be the electrical workers union for the electric companies (whatever it's called), therefore their workers should already know how to do this type of work. Like I said, I don't mean to just hire all the local people who don't know what they're doing. I'm talking about the local union workers who would be losing out on a job.

    If you don't have to train them, how would it take any longer than to get workers from out of state?

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It would be the union who is upset, correct? Why? Because they have guys that are still out of work and could be put to work instead of outsourcing the work? That is what I got out of the story.

    I don't think that is wrong. And this would be the electrical workers union for the electric companies (whatever it's called), therefore their workers should already know how to do this type of work. Like I said, I don't mean to just hire all the local people who don't know what they're doing. I'm talking about the local union workers who would be losing out on a job.

    If you don't have to train them, how would it take any longer than to get workers from out of state?
    You're making an assumption that there are line workers, out of work.
    Do you know this for a fact?
    How long have they been out of work?
    Do they need retraining for being out of work?

    You don't know any of this, but assume there are ready and waiting people.

    Well there are ready and waiting volunteers, that can restore power quicker than what you propose.
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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Now if the union was just being greedy and wanting all the work for themselves and just wanted the job to take longer, then I would not agree with that at all. But I don't know if they have unemployed people who are already sitting on the bench just waiting for work.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You're making an assumption that there are line workers, out of work.
    Do you know this for a fact?
    How long have they been out of work?
    Do they need retraining for being out of work?

    You don't know any of this, but assume there are ready and waiting people.

    Well there are ready and waiting volunteers, that can restore power quicker than what you propose.
    Oh? See my post above. And I could say that you don't really know either.
    Last edited by ChrisL; 11-02-12 at 08:38 PM. Reason: Oops, that should be above.

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    Re: Union Thuggary at it's Finest

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh? See my post above. And I could say that you don't really know either.
    You're right, I don't.
    I do know that there are people available, who came on their own accord to assist and repair downed power lines.
    It seems that local utilities took advantage of these people and put them to work.

    Why do you think they did so, rather than hire a new batch of line workers?
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