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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    NO CUTS to existing veterans and retirees....Cut the pentagon, bring all our troops home from NON combat stations, like Germany. Why do we still have troops in Germany other than to aid their economy ? We have troops around the world that should be brought home immediately. STOP the wars and ease out of afghanistan....stop trying to police the world....BUT LEAVE OUR VETS ALONE....

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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Because with very limited exceptions, it is one single group.
    If you think that, you haven't been paying attention.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you think that, you haven't been paying attention.
    Yeah, sure, that's it.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yeah, sure, that's it.
    Please refresh your memory about the singular most important takeaway from the Cold War. You are clearly not applying that lesson here.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hell of a way to say, "Thank you!".
    If anyone's pay and benefits should be cut it should be the clowns in office. The only benifit those in office should get is a paycheck and nothing else.If they want security then they should pay for it themselves,If they want health insurance then they should pay for it themselves. If they want to travel then they should pay for it themselves. They should get no raises.They should pay into social security like everyone else. There should be congressional and senate barracks that are exactly like the ones lower enlisted in the army live in and if they don't want to live in those barracks then they can pay for their own housing out of their own pocket and they shouldn't get extra money because they choose to live off the barracks.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The troops, who served and sacrificed for you and I, aren't the, "military industrial complex". They deserve to be given the bennies they were promised in return for their service.

    The ultimate hazard here, is that cutting bennies and pay will hurt recruitment and neccesitate conscription, the next time we need to fill the ranks.

    Cutting pay and bennies, now, would send a big knife in the backs of the people that sacrificed for YOU.
    I think you misconstrue what I was trying to say here. As a veteran, I believe everyone who signs on the dotted line in defense of their country and served honorably are certainly entitled to their military benefits. They deserve their health care either as active duty personnel, retirees or wounded warriors same as they deserve their retirement pay and education benefits. However, I don't think it's necessary for us as a country to keep spending millions, if not billions, on what has become "the business of defense contracting" just to develop the next super weapon. Of course, there are those who would say that had we not spent so much money on research and development of military hardware, we would never have retained our military edge in the world and, thus, continue to be a super power.

    While I'm sure there are areas in our national defense where we can cut back, I wouldn't accept cut backs to military benefits to those who served honorably just to trim the budget.

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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Take away the military and what do you suppose a lot of these poor minorities are going to be doing to support themselves? They sure as hell won't be thanking you for their welfare check and pulling the lever for you. The military provides a critical platform for upward mobility for poor people. They train doctors, nurses, instill leadership skills, etc. In terms of economics, it makes a billion times more sense to have the military as it is than college loans and grant programs to help people, especially when there are so few jobs that will pay you enough not to be buried under your student loan debt for 15-25 years.
    Yes, poor people can benefit from receiving skills, training and learning discipline from serving in the Armed Services, but the problem with this thinking is some people begin to think that the military is THE only place most young, poor people can go to acquire meaningful skills they need to get ahead in life. So very untrue! Unfortunately, this has been one of the myths that has lived on since 'Nam where college kids became less a part of the "all volunteer force" and young men of lesser economic means were targetted as likely military prespects, a step ahead of social degenerates and criminal miscrants. Think I'm wrong in this assessment? Read the book, "Your Government Failed You," by Richard A. Clarke or "Broken Government" by John W. Dean.

    I believe that if people can see opportunities for upward mobility and firmly believe they can achieve good things for themselves, then they'd be more willing to take certain risks. But when they can't see such opportunities being afforded to them, they'll take the path of least resistance and for some the military is that pathway.

    Now, don't get it twisted. There are people serving in our military today who I'm sure at one point never dreamed they'd make a career out of it. Then again, there are those who get out and put their newfound skills to good use earning a living. Some of those folks went from one form of government employment - active duty - to another - federal civil servant. Either way, they took advantage of the skills and experiences they learned from Uncle Sam and turned it into something good, i.e., 20 year career that led to retirement OR parlaying their training into civil service career, federal contractor, private sector employment (or business opportunities) or even politics! The point is, while I agree that poor people are likely targets for military recruitment, it's not the only pathway to personal achievement for poor folks nor should it be.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    that's a grand idea, we'll cut-to-the-bone the benefits for ex-military.

    these people risked everything for their country.
    these people are trained in combat.
    these people will rightly feel betrayed if this occurs.

    while i don't support unwarranted violence, violence on behalf of these disenfranchised veterans would not be unwarranted.

    talk about creating dissent, why dont we do away with their pensions all together, and just get the civil war over with now.

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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    However, I don't think it's necessary for us as a country to keep spending millions, if not billions, on what has become "the business of defense contracting" just to develop the next super weapon.
    The existance of that industry has helped create the finest military in the history of the world. It not only develops better ways to kill people it also develops better ways to keep wounded soldiers alive on the battlefield. Not to mention, that the more effectively we can kill the enemy, the better chance our soldiers have of not being killed themselves.

    There's almost no way to cut the defense budget, without it having a negative impact on the troops.
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