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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    "Health care costs are eating the Defense Department alive" - Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
    Yeah, and yet some people mistakenly think government involvement in health care makes costs go down. Crazy stuff.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Ike said to "beware of the Military Industrial Complex". It's high time our government started to pay attention and heed the warning. For an real-time example of what could happen if we don't pay heed, look no further than Russia losing the Cold War.

    For a clear example of what could be if we continue on a course of out-of-control spending, poor infrastructure and no true manufacturing base, look no further than Greece.

    We can do better, ladies and gentlemen. Compromise is key not "all or nothing/do it our way or else" politics which is what Republicans seem to be demanding.
    The troops, who served and sacrificed for you and I, aren't the, "military industrial complex". They deserve to be given the bennies they were promised in return for their service.

    The ultimate hazard here, is that cutting bennies and pay will hurt recruitment and neccesitate conscription, the next time we need to fill the ranks.

    Cutting pay and bennies, now, would send a big knife in the backs of the people that sacrificed for YOU.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    This is no different than what large companies have done to people who worked until they retired. Some are forced into early retirement so the company can save money on what they pay out. Also pay cuts and benefit cuts for those who already retired. It's only a matter of time for the same thing to happen to the military.
    Did those people risk their lives protecting YOU? Did they volunteer to serve in the military, so that you weren't drafted?
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

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    "Health care costs are eating the Defense Department alive" - Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
    Now would be a bad time to cut bennies for our soldiers, then. Right?
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did those people risk their lives protecting YOU? Did they volunteer to serve in the military, so that you weren't drafted?
    Don't even go there with me. My brother served in the US military for 20 years. He's been to Korea, Iraq twice (under Bush Sr and Bush Jr), and other places that he is not allowed to tell me about. From what he has told me, he has seen and been through some real f**ked up s**t. He also has COPD, PTSD, and other physical ailments that prevent him from being able to work a job, thanks to his Iraq deployment. The only assignments he received that put him in harms way was when a republican was in office.

    My best friend's father served in the US military. He was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia. He was captured by the Nazis when he was 13 and sent to a concentration camp. He managed to escape from the concentration camp and came across General Patton's troop. He fought with the US and General Patton brought him back to the US and fought for him to become a US citizen for serving our country (I saw the newspaper article, so I have seen proof). He found a job working for Thorn Apple Valley in Michigan for 40 years. During his last year, the company laid him off and denied him his retirement benefits. He retained a lawyer but was unable to win his retirement benefits.

    In a direct answer to your question, yes. There are former military people working for companies that have been screwed over and they risked their lives protecting me.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hell of a way to say, "Thank you!".
    A new report by a liberal-leaning think tank recommends a dramatic overhaul of military pay, retirement and health care benefits as part of a $1 trillion cut in defense spending over 10 years.

    The Center for American Progress calls for capping pay raises, eliminating military health benefits for many retirees who are covered by an employer-provided plan, and reducing the value of military retired pay as well as making retirees wait until age 60 to start receiving it.

    Army Times Mobile - Think tank recommends big benefits cuts
    Of all the things we should NOT cut, it is military benefits. These brave men and women risk their lives in service of their country, regardless if we agree with the wars, and the reasons for them.
    This is deplorable, despicable, and deserves much condemnation and ire.

    In addendum to this, I must add that I am without a doubt in favor of our military being provided benefits for life.
    Not to mention, each veteran that has served should qualify for an acre of the following property, free of charge, and to do with as they so please;

    Federally Owned Land
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Don't even go there with me. My brother served in the US military for 20 years. He's been to Korea, Iraq twice (under Bush Sr and Bush Jr), and other places that he is not allowed to tell me about. From what he has told me, he has seen and been through some real f**ked up s**t. He also has COPD, PTSD, and other physical ailments that prevent him from being able to work a job, thanks to his Iraq deployment. The only assignments he received that put him in harms way was when a republican was in office.

    My best friend's father served in the US military. He was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia. He was captured by the Nazis when he was 13 and sent to a concentration camp. He managed to escape from the concentration camp and came across General Patton's troop. He fought with the US and General Patton brought him back to the US and fought for him to become a US citizen for serving our country (I saw the newspaper article, so I have seen proof). He found a job working for Thorn Apple Valley in Michigan for 40 years. During his last year, the company laid him off and denied him his retirement benefits. He retained a lawyer but was unable to win his retirement benefits.

    In a direct answer to your question, yes. There are former military people working for companies that have been screwed over and they risked their lives protecting me.
    And, they all did it so YOU didn't have to and now YOU are all for cutting their bennies.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yeah, and yet some people mistakenly think government involvement in health care makes costs go down. Crazy stuff.
    The government should not own the means of producing healthcare. Military Socialist Healthcare is massively expensive.

    But to say that government involvement in healthcare cannot make costs down is an oversimplification of the issue and ignores ways government intervention can reduce costs.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, they all did it so YOU didn't have to and now YOU are all for cutting their bennies.
    Explain how I am all for cutting their bennies?
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The government should not own the means of producing healthcare. Military Socialist Healthcare is massively expensive.

    But to say that government involvement in healthcare cannot make costs down is an oversimplification of the issue and ignores ways government intervention can reduce costs.
    In general, do the people that support Obamacare, and even voice that it is 'not enough' or a 'good first step' want MORE government involvement or LESS?
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