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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    My concern is that too often we go into this cutting frenzy like Freddie Kruger. The idea to cut government and make it more efficient is what Obama is finally getting around to with economics. he is looking for duplication in effort across the executive branch and centralizing it all inton one group. Carter did this and Clinton tried. To just hack our way through the executive is stupid and ends up being actually wasteful. This scalpel affect would also be towards agencies and offices that no longer serve a useful purpose or are part of some Congressmans long ago wet dream. (if you have seen the movie Dave, you will know what i mean.)

    The only exception to this is the Defense Dept. Study after study has shown (GAO) has shown that the DOD can be cut by 30+% and not loose any effectiveness. I would hope that monies dedicated to the troops and logistics would be carefully reviewed first, but there is a hell of alot of waste in DOD.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    My concern is that too often we go into this cutting frenzy like Freddie Kruger. The idea to cut government and make it more efficient is what Obama is finally getting around to with economics. he is looking for duplication in effort across the executive branch and centralizing it all inton one group. Carter did this and Clinton tried. To just hack our way through the executive is stupid and ends up being actually wasteful. This scalpel affect would also be towards agencies and offices that no longer serve a useful purpose or are part of some Congressmans long ago wet dream. (if you have seen the movie Dave, you will know what i mean.)

    The only exception to this is the Defense Dept. Study after study has shown (GAO) has shown that the DOD can be cut by 30+% and not loose any effectiveness. I would hope that monies dedicated to the troops and logistics would be carefully reviewed first, but there is a hell of alot of waste in DOD.
    This would be the same GAO that said that KC-135 Tankers built in 1957 would still be good and serve us until at least 2050? The same GAO that says we don't need a new Air Superiority fighter even though the F-15 has been in service since 1972 and many of the actual air frames were built and have been in service since the 1970s? The same GAO that said we didn't need the B-1 or the B-2 even though the B-52 has been in service since the early 1950s? What is the actual age of most of our FA-18s, F-16s, A-10s, M1 tanks, Bradleys, F-117As, our Naval Ships and submarines. How many years can we maintain a $100+ billion dollar maintenance program to keep all this aged equipment running? How much would we save in the long run replacing aged systems with new ones that the GAO always tells us we don't need?

    The GAOs history on military matters is so bad, it is amazing they are still allowed to even comment or exist, much less have anyone actually listen to them.

    Tell you what, if you think the GAO is right, then go buy yourself a 40-50 year old car, keep it running and use it for your needs. After all, according the their logic, it still "works" and meets your needs, so it doesn't need replacing.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    This would be the same GAO that said that KC-135 Tankers built in 1957 would still be good and serve us until at least 2050? The same GAO that says we don't need a new Air Superiority fighter even though the F-15 has been in service since 1972 and many of the actual air frames were built and have been in service since the 1970s? The same GAO that said we didn't need the B-1 or the B-2 even though the B-52 has been in service since the early 1950s? What is the actual age of most of our FA-18s, F-16s, A-10s, M1 tanks, Bradleys, F-117As, our Naval Ships and submarines. How many years can we maintain a $100+ billion dollar maintenance program to keep all this aged equipment running? How much would we save in the long run replacing aged systems with new ones that the GAO always tells us we don't need?

    The GAOs history on military matters is so bad, it is amazing they are still allowed to even comment or exist, much less have anyone actually listen to them.

    Tell you what, if you think the GAO is right, then go buy yourself a 40-50 year old car, keep it running and use it for your needs. After all, according the their logic, it still "works" and meets your needs, so it doesn't need replacing.
    WHAT??? the GAO (General Accounting Office) is the budget branch of Congress. they don't recommend ****. Your not making any sense at all.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Sorry folks but you cannot have it both ways. If we are to take the knife to the federal budget, we have to look at some of the big ticket items that are discretionary and defense fits that description to the tee.

    We are going to have to decide as a people if we want to continue to outspend the next 12, 14, 17 whatever that number is now nations defense spending COMBINED or do we believe we can still have national security if we just outspend the to top five or so combined? At what point is it overkill?

    We are actually seeing people talk about cutting things that people worked their entire lives for like Social Security and before we do that we should have a long hard discussion about just where we want our limited resources to go to. Do we want money going into the pockets of those who worked hard for it and help up their end of the bargain for the last four or five decades or do we want to continue on a military spending binge?
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Only if we cap executive pay for large businesses so they can hire more employees so they can get jobs with viable pay so they won't need entitlements.

    Which doesn't have anything to do with the Federal Budget. The pay for executives in corporations is another issue for another day.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If we're going to have the military just be a jobs program then we can provide just as many jobs to doctors and nurses, even more, by instituting a national health service to provide universal health care.
    As long as the AMA can impose a quota limit on the number of doctors in the US regardless of whether we have a national health service or not will be moot as many of those minorities are going to be looking from the outside in.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry folks but you cannot have it both ways. If we are to take the knife to the federal budget, we have to look at some of the big ticket items that are discretionary and defense fits that description to the tee.

    We are going to have to decide as a people if we want to continue to outspend the next 12, 14, 17 whatever that number is now nations defense spending COMBINED or do we believe we can still have national security if we just outspend the to top five or so combined? At what point is it overkill?

    We are actually seeing people talk about cutting things that people worked their entire lives for like Social Security and before we do that we should have a long hard discussion about just where we want our limited resources to go to. Do we want money going into the pockets of those who worked hard for it and help up their end of the bargain for the last four or five decades or do we want to continue on a military spending binge?
    Overkill would be begin when we have 25% more capability than need to defeat all the worlds militaries combined and it is kept within a decade of current technology for all systems.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    WHAT??? the GAO (General Accounting Office) is the budget branch of Congress. they don't recommend ****. Your not making any sense at all.
    Um, isn't the purpose of the GAO study, that you mentioned in the first post, to collect information used to make budgetary recommendations to the Congress?
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Hahahaha cut military, of course, or we could quit giving former presidents such great retirement benefits for what, serving for all of 8 years.
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    Re: Think tank recommends big benefits cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Um, isn't the purpose of the GAO study, that you mentioned in the first post, to collect information used to make budgetary recommendations to the Congress?
    Based on expenditure vs budget yes. They repeatedly say that the DOD cannot account for a portion of the monies they recieve from Congress and that they waste another part. As such they have repeatedly states that the DOD budget can be cut with no ill effects.
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