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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Third thread today. I'm beginning to think Romney has a better chance than I thought.

    First, Romney wanted/wants to send the money to the states. Secondly, FEMA's budget has more than doubled since 2003. If the sequester takes place, FEMA would lose $878 million in funding. Whose idea is the sequester? Obama’s fanciful claim that Congress ‘proposed’ the sequester - The Washington Post
    Yeah, that's what the right wing pundits are all saying from the known liar Breitbart to the above.

    Here's another take on the issue
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    Calls For Cutting FEMA Are Not Coming From Inside The White House | Blog | Media Matters for America

    As Hurricane Sandy bears down on the east coast, Breitbart.com is reporting that President Obama's "proposal for the upcoming budget sequester would cut nearly $900 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, including disaster relief, food and shelter, and flood management at both the federal and state levels." This is absolutely false: the report they characterize as the White House's "sequester proposal" is actually a legally required estimate of how scheduled automatic budget cuts will impact discretionary spending, and inveighs strongly against allowing those cuts to take effect.

    The debt-limit deal passed in 2011 (with the support of over two-thirds of House Republicans, including GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan) required both parties to find a way to cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion, or face steep, automatic cuts across the board starting in January 2013 -- the sequester. On August 7, President Obama signed into law the Sequester Transparency Act, which required the White House to "submit to Congress a detailed report on the sequestration" that provides "an estimate for each category of the sequestration percentages and amounts necessary to achieve the required reduction."

    The White House Office of Management and Budget released that report in September. Contrary to Breitbart.com's misreading, the report does not propose cuts to FEMA or any other agency but rather enumerates the cuts that are required by the statute. The introduction to the report makes this clear (emphasis added):

    The percentage cuts in this report, and the identification of exempt and non-exempt accounts, reflect the requirements of the laws that the Administration is applying. With the single exception of military personnel accounts, the Administration cannot choose which programs to exempt, or what percentage cuts to apply. These matters are dictated by a detailed statutory scheme. The Administration does not support these cuts, but unless Congress acts responsibly, there will be no choice but to implement them.

    So no, the White House is not "propos[ing]" FEMA cuts through the sequester. And that should come as a relief to FEMA, given the many enthusiastic calls for cutting its budget it's seen coming from Republicans lately
    Just doesn't jive with the responsibilities of Congress, your story.
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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Third thread today. I'm beginning to think Romney has a better chance than I thought.

    First, Romney wanted/wants to send the money to the states. Secondly, FEMA's budget has more than doubled since 2003. If the sequester takes place, FEMA would lose $878 million in funding. Whose idea is the sequester? Obama’s fanciful claim that Congress ‘proposed’ the sequester - The Washington Post
    Not my understanding at all.

    Romney wants to send the cost plus the management responsibility to the states.
    It simply relocates the cost from federal level to state level.
    It is simply semantics, like a shell game, or a dangerous game of Where's Waldo.
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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Romney wants to send the cost plus the management responsibility to the states.
    It simply relocates the cost from federal level to state level.
    It is simply semantics, like a shell game, or a dangerous game of Where's Waldo.
    No. it's not semantics.....

    The US Constitution does not allow for the US Government to be involved in this sort of thing. Article 1, Section 8 does not allow for the US Government to legislate or spend money on domestic or international disaster relief. It never has. Combine that with the Tenth Amendment, and all responsibility and capability for dealing with domestic disaster relief falls on the States and the People, NOT the Federal Government.

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. it's not semantics.....

    The US Constitution does not allow for the US Government to be involved in this sort of thing. Article 1, Section 8 does not allow for the US Government to legislate or spend money on domestic or international disaster relief. It never has. Combine that with the Tenth Amendment, and all responsibility and capability for dealing with domestic disaster relief falls on the States and the People, NOT the Federal Government.


    Im sorry, the constitution gets pushed aside while the government aids its people.

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Im sorry, the constitution gets pushed aside while the government aids its people.
    NO. That is not the way it works. At least that is not the way it was intended to work. If it was, then what is the point of law to begin with?

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    NO. That is not the way it works. At least that is not the way it was intended to work. If it was, then what is the point of law to begin with?
    Sorry Tig, human lives are more important than a old piece of paper at this moment. Wold you rather see humans suffer/die so can follow that piece of paper?

    You dont have to answer that. We all ready know your answer.

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not my understanding at all.

    Romney wants to send the cost plus the management responsibility to the states.
    It simply relocates the cost from federal level to state level.
    It is simply semantics, like a shell game, or a dangerous game of Where's Waldo.
    Maybe the states could deploy their aircraft carriers to the coast to aid in rescue and recovery?
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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Sorry Tig, human lives are more important than a old piece of paper at this moment. Wold you rather see humans suffer/die so can follow that piece of paper?

    You dont have to answer that. We all ready know your answer.
    I'm going to answer it anyway.... Follow the Piece of Paper. That's what we call the Rule of Law, and without it there is no society worth anything.

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm going to answer it anyway.... Follow the Piece of Paper. That's what we call the Rule of Law, and without it there is no society worth anything.

    Like i said, you''d rather see people suffer/die.

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    Re: Republicans vs. FEMA: GOP Politicians Advocate Cutting Disaster Relief (VIDEO)

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Like i said, you''d rather see people suffer/die.
    It's not about what I'd rather see. It's about the way the system was intended to work. Law & Order is the highest calling of society.

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