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    Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

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    A new report this morning from the LA Times casts serious doubt on Romney’s claims:
    The assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi last month appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation, and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya.
    …[I]n in Benghazi, witnesses said members of the group that raided the U.S. mission specifically mentioned the video, which denigrated the prophet Muhammad.

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    Why would you continue to push lies about the Black American President? Who would the audience be who would believe the lies which have been proven false?
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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

    There does not need to be any truth to RW allegations. Remember F&F being a gun grab scheme. Absolutley no truth to it, yet I still here it repeated by the RW talking heads and the conservobots I know. Just repeat the same lie enoght times...
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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

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    Why would you continue to push lies about the Black American President? Who would the audience be who would believe the lies whichever have been proven false?
    Why are you playing the race card?

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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

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    Why would you continue to push lies about the Black American President? Who would the audience be who would believe the lies which have been proven false?
    More proof that this attack was well planned and ignored by the WH. The real novelty is that someone other than Fox is covering this now.


    Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack
    By PAUL SCHEMM and MAGGIE MICHAEL
    Associated Press


    TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) -- It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

    The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.

    There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

    ...The Obama administration has sent out muddled messages whether it was a planned attack or a mob protest that got out of control. A day after the attack, President Barack Obama referred to "acts of terror." He told CBS' "60 Minutes" in an interview aired the following Sunday that he believed those involved "were looking to target Americans from the start."

    Within 24 hours of the attack, both the embassy in Tripoli and the CIA station chief sent word to Washington that it was a planned militant attack. Still, days later, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, said the attack began as a spontaneous protest over the film.

    ...Ansar al-Shariah, the group whose members are suspected in the attack, is made up of militants with an al-Qaida-like ideology, but it is not clear whether it has any true ties to the terror organization. Made up mainly of veterans of last year's civil war, it is one of the many powerful, heavily armed militias that operate freely in Libya and in Benghazi, while government control remains weak. Some Benghazi officials have praised Ansar al-Shariah for helping keep order in the city, even as they note its jihadi ideology.

    With its arsenal of weapons, the group is capable of carrying out such an attack on the consulate on its own and even on relatively short notice. Islamist militias in Benghazi had in previous months threatened to attack the compound.

    ...Yasser el-Sirri, a former Egyptian militant who runs the Islamic Observation Center in London closely tracking jihadi groups, said the attack "had nothing to do with the film but it was a coincidence that served the (militants') purpose."He believes the ambassador was the target and the attackers may have been inspired by an al-Qaida call to avenge the death of a top Libyan jihadist on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001. But he offered no firm evidence that was the motive.

    Michael reported from Cairo. Osama Alfitory in Benghazi contributed to this report.

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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

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    Why would you continue to push lies about the Black American President? Who would the audience be who would believe the lies which have been proven false?
    So then the President lied in the Rose Garden when he said it was a terrorist attack?
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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

    Your article seems to lack parts of the original article. Here is the unedited version:

    TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the US Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

    The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.

    There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam’s Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

    One of the consulate’s private Libyan guards said masked militants grabbed him and beat him, one of them calling him “an infidel protecting infidels who insulted the prophet.”

    The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left US ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack.

    The ambiguity has helped fuel the election-time bickering in the United States ever since.

    The Obama administration has sent out muddled messages whether it was a planned attack or a mob protest that got out of control. A day after the attack, President Barack Obama referred to “acts of terror.” He told CBS’ “60 Minutes” in an interview aired the following Sunday that he believed those involved “were looking to target Americans from the start.”

    Within 24 hours of the attack, both the embassy in Tripoli and the CIA station chief sent word to Washington that it was a planned militant attack. Still, days later, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, said the attack began as a spontaneous protest over the film.

    Republicans, embroiled in a heated presidential campaign, seized on the confusion. They have accused the Obama administration of being hesitant to call it a “terrorist attack” linked to al-Qaida because that would weaken one of Obama’s key campaign selling points — that under his watch, al-Qaida had been weakened and Osama bin Laden had been killed..

    As that debate roiled, the actual events — and their meaning — became somewhat skewed in the mouths of politicians. One assumption often made in the back-and-forth is that if the attack was planned, then it must have been linked to al-Qaida.

    Ansar al-Shariah, the group whose members are suspected in the attack, is made up of militants with an al-Qaida-like ideology, but it is not clear whether it has any true ties to the terror organization. Made up mainly of veterans of last year’s civil war, it is one of the many powerful, heavily armed militias that operate freely in Libya and in Benghazi, while government control remains weak. Some Benghazi officials have praised Ansar al-Shariah for helping keep order in the city, even as they note its jihadi ideology.

    With its arsenal of weapons, the group is capable of carrying out such an attack on the consulate on its own and even on relatively short notice. Islamist militias in Benghazi had in previous months threatened to attack the compound.

    US officials say they are still investigating whether there is an al-Qaida connection. They say members of Ansar al-Shariah called members of al-Qaida’s branch in North Africa outside of Libya and boasted of the attack. The administration has even said it is prepared to carry out drone strikes against the branch, known as al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, or AQIM, if a link is proven. But the officials also acknowledge the calls alone do not yet prove AQIM was involved.

    A day after the Benghazi attack, an unidentified Ansar al-Shariah spokesman said the militia was not involved “as an organization” — leaving open the possibility members were involved. He praised the attack as a popular “uprising” sparked by the anti-Islam film, further propagating the image of a mob attack against the consulate.

    So far, the attackers’ motives can only be speculated at.

    Yasser el-Sirri, a former Egyptian militant who runs the Islamic Observation Center in London closely tracking jihadi groups, said the attack “had nothing to do with the film but it was a coincidence that served the (militants’) purpose.”

    The neighbors all described the militants setting up checkpoints around the compound at about 8 p.m.
    He believes the ambassador was the target and the attackers may have been inspired by an al-Qaida call to avenge the death of a top Libyan jihadist on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001. But he offered no firm evidence that was the motive.

    The news trickled out slowly the night of the attack, with initial reports overshadowed by the storming of the US Embassy in Cairo by protesters angry over the film. It was only the next morning that Stevens’ death was confirmed.

    On the day of the attack and the next day, The Associated Press referred to it as a mob attack, based on Libyan officials’ comment that there was a significant unarmed protest at the time. In reporting the following days, AP referred to it as an “armed attack” and detailed its organized nature.

    The past week, the AP has gathered accounts from five witnesses, including one of the embassy guards and several people living next door to the consulate compound who were present when the militants first moved in. Most spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals for talking about the attack.

    The neighbors all described the militants setting up checkpoints around the compound at about 8 p.m. The State Department’s timeline says the attack itself began at around 9:40 p.m.

    Khaled al-Haddar, a lawyer who passed by the scene as he headed to his nearby home, said he saw the fighters gathering a few youths from among passers-by and urged them to chant against the film.

    “I am certain they had planned to do something like this, I don’t know if it was hours or days, but it was definitely planned,” said al-Haddar. “From the way they set up the checkpoints and gathered people, it was very professional.”

    The guard said he saw no protesters. He heard a few shouts of “God is great,” then a barrage of automatic weapons fire and rocket-propelled grenades began, along with barrages from heavy machine guns mounted on trucks.

    The attackers set fire to the main consulate building. Stevens and another staffer, caught inside amid the confusion, died of smoke inhalation.

    The attack came from the front and the side. A neighbor whose house is on side of the consulate compound said militants with their faces wrapped in scarves attacking.

    Because of the checkpoints, “it felt like our neighborhood was occupied, no one could get out or in,” he said.

    The effectiveness of the roadblocks was later revealed in the State Department’s account of the evacuation. It described how the rescue force came under heavy fire and grenade attacks as they tried to leave the consulate area.

    They evacuated staffers to a security compound across town, where they continued to come under fire. A precision mortar hit the compound’s building at 4 a.m., killing two other Americans.

    Libyan witnesses describe planned attack on US consulate

    By the way, it was released 3 days ago that they may have one of the attackers. They haven't allowed the US to question him yet:

    Libya Attack: Tunisia Arrests Suspect In Benghazi Consulate Attack
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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Your article seems to lack parts of the original article. Here is the unedited version:

    TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the US Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses...

    Libya Attack: Tunisia Arrests Suspect In Benghazi Consulate Attack
    See the "...", that means I left something out. You managed to figure out that if you click on the little link that I provided you get right to the whole article. Good job. I am proud of you. If I ever find the need to quote the Federalist Papers, I will be sure and provide a link. It gets a bit unwieldy to put the whole 3 volumes of work in a blog reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoCon View Post
    See the "...", that means I left something out. You managed to figure out that if you click on the little link that I provided you get right to the whole article. Good job. I am proud of you. If I ever find the need to quote the Federalist Papers, I will be sure and provide a link. It gets a bit unwieldy to put the whole 3 volumes of work in a blog reply.
    It would help if your link went to the article and not to a generic AP page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    It would help if your link went to the article and not to a generic AP page.
    Mea culpa. I thought it did go directly to the article. Nonetheless, the details were at the top of the article.
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    Re: Fox Continues Attacks on Libya Response Even as Their Arguments Are Falling Apart

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So then the President lied in the Rose Garden when he said it was a terrorist attack?
    I think an attack on innocent Americans over an anti-islamic film qualifies as a terrorist attack, whether it is committed by Al Qaeda or not.
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