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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, that is my point. There would be no bipartisan support for this if we were talking about a republican president. The fact that such an issue was abandoned due to partisan politics is absolutely appalling an inexcusable, regardless of how you view the drone program
    It is wrong that the issue will be abandoned due to partisan politics. Mark my words, if Romney wins, the kill lists will continue, and the issue will be abandoned by the right.



    what are you even talking about? My entire point has been that this issue wouldn't be bipartisan if we were talking about a republican. Again, Bush couldn't even tap these people phone with out creating waves of hysteria, and now your arguing these same people would have been ok if he just assassinated them? Not only is that argument insane, it's laughably insane
    What I'm saying is that the policy didn't change when Obama took office, and won't change if Romney does. The selective outrage won't change either.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    What eactly is your point? Basically 1/2 of Liberals support drone strikes. The other half doesn't. That's a lot of folks that do not support drone attacks. Are you against the drone attacks or are you just shocked! that party affiliation can causes hypocrisy. Better yet do you think that hypcrisy is only limited to Liberals?
    PS it was also 3/4ths

    But fully 77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones, meaning that Obama is unlikely to suffer any political consequences as a result of his policy in this election year.
    if we are discussing american targets the numbers shift a bit
    And get this: Depressingly, Democrats approve of the drone strikes on American citizens by 58-33, and even liberals approve of them, 55-35. Those numbers were provided to me by the Post polling team.
    but, again, anyone claiming those numbers would be similar under Bush is insane

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It is wrong that the issue will be abandoned due to partisan politics. Mark my words, if Romney wins, the kill lists will continue, and the issue will be abandoned by the right.
    the right isn't really making hay out of it. Some are, but the majority support the program.





    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What I'm saying is that the policy didn't change when Obama took office, and won't change if Romney does. The selective outrage won't change either.
    has there been a large shift among the rights support for the issue? If so, I havent seen much evidence for the claim.

    PS and one thing did certainly change, liberals started to support these policies

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, my point was pretty clear: that there are alot less people criticizing Obama over these things, and it seems wholly dependent on who's president


    "Are you against the drone attacks or are you just shocked! that party affiliation can causes hypocrisy."

    You seem to be getting upset. But no, what I am shocked about is that people could so easily mitigate their views on extremely important topics due to party politics. What it essentially says is that what constitutes murder is dependent on the presidents politics.

    That's f*cking sick, regardless of your views of the drone program


    "Better yet do you think that hypcrisy is only limited to Liberals?"

    lol
    I'm not getting upset. I'm just curious if you think a lot of people that affiliate with parties or leans are more trusting when "their guy" is in power is either breaking news or new in anyway?

    Also I disagree that those views are extremely important topics to all Liberals. It's like saying that outlawing abortion for rape victims is an extremely important topic to all Conservatives. It's a vocal group...a minority of a minority and those individuals that it's extremely important to are still criticizing the President.

    Just like deficits didn't matter to most conservatives when Bush was President except for the true blue deficit hawks.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not getting upset. I'm just curious if you think a lot of people that affiliate with parties or leans are more trusting when "their guy" is in power is either breaking news or new in anyway?

    Also I disagree that those views are extremely important topics to all Liberals.
    lol, the left was freaking outraged the entire time Bush was in office, over things that didn't even come close to this





    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's like saying that outlawing abortion for rape victims is an extremely important topic to all Conservatives. It's a vocal group...a minority of a minority and those individuals that it's extremely important to are still criticizing the President.
    lol, that is excuse making. The left was completely outraged over issues of a similar nature under Bush. Infact, it pretty much defined the criticism of his presidenty the entire time he was in office

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Just like deficits didn't matter to most conservatives when Bush was President except for the true blue deficit hawks.
    dude, we are talking about killing a US citizen, not an abstract political ideal. This is like someone screaming bloody hell over abortions, then completely compromising their views on what they see as murder, simply because a republican is in the WH

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post

    PS and one thing did certainly change, liberals started to support these policies
    Which is nice, but I didn't disagree with that.

    We started with me agreeing with the idea that it's bipartisan, then attacked for "deflecting" to Bush. I'm not deflecting. It backs up the idea of what is now bipartisan support. Just because somebody says the name "Bush" doesn't mean they're deflecting.

    If Romney takes office, the policy will continue and people on the right will say "Well, it happened under Obama too." Will that be a deflection?


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    PS it was also 3/4ths



    if we are discussing american targets the numbers shift a bit

    but, again, anyone claiming those numbers would be similar under Bush is insane
    Well this thread is about drone attacks on US citizens so I focused on that number.

    As for those number similar under Bush. I'd be interested to see the numbers. All I can find is polling information regarding how Pakistani's feel about drone attacks.

    The public figures that criticized Bush...are also criticizing Obama.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which is nice, but I didn't disagree with that.
    it certainly seemed like you did

    [QUOTE=rocket88;1061092090]WWe started with me agreeing with the idea that it's bipartisan, then attacked for "deflecting" to Bush. I'm not deflecting. It backs up the idea of what is now bipartisan support. Just because somebody says the name "Bush" doesn't mean they're deflecting.[/quote[]

    1) where did I claim you were deflecting? I said you were insane for suggesting that support was always bipartisan, because opposition to such programs under Bush defined liberalism in this country for many years

    2) My point, again, was that the issue only became bipartisan when a democrat entered the white house.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If Romney takes office, the policy will continue and people on the right will say "Well, it happened under Obama too." Will that be a deflection?
    again, where is the right currently taking issue with it? For the two situations to be analogies the right would have to largely reject the policy under Obama, and only start supporting it when he left office

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The public figures that criticized Bush...are also criticizing Obama.
    So you're saying we see the same amount of opposition to phone tapping under Bush as we see of Obama's drone strikes?

    LOL

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, the left was freaking outraged the entire time Bush was in office, over things that didn't even come close to this
    You mean a war with a country with no WMD's? I would argue that the number of Americans KIA and wounded in Iraq and the cost of the war in Iraq are pretty big deals but whatever.

    lol, that is excuse making. The left was completely outraged over issues of a similar nature under Bush. Infact, it pretty much defined the criticism of his presidenty the entire time he was in office
    It's not excuse making. This thread isn't about hypocrisy in politics. I just find it interesting that you think this is some major issue and seem to ignore the fact it happens all the time. For individuals that drone attacks and GITMO were important to....it's still important.

    dude, we are talking about killing a US citizen, not an abstract political ideal. This is like someone screaming bloody hell over abortions, then completely compromising their views on what they see as murder, simply because a republican is in the WH
    That was my previous point. Conservative does not mean "screaming bloody hell over abortions". Just like Liberal doesn't mean everyone has one view on drone attacks and the killing of US citizens.

    I love how...I point that out...and you call it "excuse making" then make the same argument.
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