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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't know what is worse...that the Obama Administration seems to believe that it can order the extrajudicial killings of American citizens without any trial (or even any good reason), or that no one seems to care about it. It's hard to imagine an executive power that has more potential for abuse than this...and yet astonishingly, there seems to be a widespread bipartisan consensus that secret "kill lists" are A-OK.
    Sounds to me like he was the member of a foreign army that is engaged in armed conflict with the United States, which would allow the government to strip him of his citizenshop, thereby taking away the government's obligation to observe his constitutional rights.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Theeeeere it is. It took all the way to the end of the page to deflect to Bush. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUSH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBAMA AND DRONE STRIKES.

    I'm not sure which is worse: seemingly indiscriminate killings by drone strike or refusal to use them to protect our consulate. Both amount to murder as far as I'm concerned. I hear it's good to be king, evidently it excuses all kinds of behavior. Right now I'd be happy to have a horny guy back in office, at least the payload he's delivering isn't fatal.
    Can't deal with the reality that this policy has been in effect and will likely stay in effect no matter who wins?

    I'm not blaming Bush, though your outrage over his same actions is notedly absent. I'm pointing out that there's bi-partisan support, meaning both Democrats and Republicans. Last I checked, Bush was the last Republican President. There's not much evidence that this policy pre-dates him, so proving bi-partisan support before him would be difficult.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Can't deal with the reality that this policy has been in effect and will likely stay in effect no matter who wins?

    I'm not blaming Bush, though your outrage over his same actions is notedly absent. I'm pointing out that there's bi-partisan support, meaning both Democrats and Republicans. Last I checked, Bush was the last Republican President. There's not much evidence that this policy pre-dates him, so proving bi-partisan support before him would be difficult.
    Khandahar is correct in not bashing Bush. Like, he's not the head-honcho and Obama is.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds to me like he was the member of a foreign army that is engaged in armed conflict with the United States, which would allow the government to strip him of his citizenshop, thereby taking away the government's obligation to observe his constitutional rights.
    If he was a member of "a foreign army that is engaged in armed conflict with the United States," no evidence of it has been forthcoming. All we have is the Obama Administration's word...and actually, they won't even make that claim. Are you really comfortable with the President of the United States unilaterally being able to deem whoever he wants a "member of a foreign army" without any judicial oversight or evidence? That's a very dangerous road to go down.

    Furthermore, this kid was only 16 years old, which as far as I'm concerned means he is not of sound mind to renounce his citizenship anyway.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If he was a member of "a foreign army that is engaged in armed conflict with the United States," no evidence of it has been forthcoming. All we have is the Obama Administration's word...and actually, they won't even make that claim. Are you really comfortable with the President of the United States unilaterally being able to deem whoever he wants a "member of a foreign army" without any judicial oversight or evidence? That's a very dangerous road to go down.

    Furthermore, this kid was only 16 years old, which as far as I'm concerned means he is not of sound mind to renounce his citizenship anyway.
    Where was he zapped?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Khandahar is correct in not bashing Bush. Like, he's not the head-honcho and Obama is.
    Forget about Bush. He's simply the last Republican to be President.

    The "kill lists" are bi-partisan, supported by both Democrats and Republicans. Do you think Obama invented them, and do you think that electing Romney will change it?


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

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    Where was he zapped?
    In Yemen.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I wasn't speaking so much to the historical record--you're quite right on what you've said. I'm speaking more to the moral issues raised by both questions, especially as to the thread subject of assassination of people without due process, rather Stalinesque with modern american technology.
    There's a lot of folks on the left that have criticized Obama over it. Unfortunately the fact is when there is wide spread support for something the Constitution is a paper shield.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In Yemen.
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    Associating with anti American terrorists?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Associating with anti American terrorists?
    Well, his father certainly was. No evidence has been presented that the son was involved in any plots against the United States. So far, the Obama Administration won't even make an unsubstantiated CLAIM that he was.
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