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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    If you can read my previous posts, I have already stated we need congressional oversight. That is actually what this whole thread is about, abusing executive powers.

    And I see what you are doing. We have a bad situation, and you offer a worse situation. Very lame attempt to change the subject

    I see a few flaws with your suggestion.

    First, the US was officially at war with Germany and Japan. We are not at war with Pakistan or Yemen.

    Second, these drone attacks are being conducted by the CIA 'secretly' with no congressional oversight.
    We are at war with those who are at war with us. And war is hell.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im afraid you sare the one drinking the koolaid. You take one or two lines and a misleading headline and use that as your 'evidence'. There is no 'targeting' of first responders. The drones launch two missiles at the target.

    Did you watch the video? Do you consider that an unbiased source?

    Best way for drone attacks to stop...stop housing and hiding terrorists.
    You are so delusional. Do you even know how a missile system works? A missile needs a target. A live target, not some inanimate object like a tree or rock.

    CIA Operative: "Target that Osama Bin Laden looking tree over there".

    And you seriously believe first responders are on scene mid missile flight so it's their fault for getting in the way?

    Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law's study/report/findings the media is reporting on is an unbiased source. They are not party to the attacks, nor were they victims of the attacks. They were not hired by the government, nor the media. Pretty sure that is the literal definition of unbiased

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    We are at war with those who are at war with us. And war is hell.
    And this relates to abusing executive powers and/or congressional oversight how again?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    You are so delusional. Do you even know how a missile system works? A missile needs a target. A live target, not some inanimate object like a tree or rock.

    CIA Operative: "Target that Osama Bin Laden looking tree over there".

    And you seriously believe first responders are on scene mid missile flight so it's their fault for getting in the way?

    Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law's study/report/findings the media is reporting on is an unbiased source. They are not party to the attacks, nor were they victims of the attacks. They were not hired by the government, nor the media. Pretty sure that is the literal definition of unbiased
    So far, every 'example' you cited has been a lie, misstatement, or partial truth. Yet you think you are scoring points. In every example terrorists were present. You make silly statements like "we arent at war with Yemen" and ignore the fact that it is the Yemen government and defense ministry that is working with and coordinating the attacks on terror targets. In the last, terrorists were present and the target missed. Tragic...but that happens. Communities that harbor terrorists sometimes suffer the dire consequences.

    As to your 'unbiased'report, did they cite even one legit target eliminated or did they merely focus on a few tragic tales? oh...believe me...I have empathy for the unintended victims. I also understand the real world and the need to combat terrorism. Thats why people that are ruled by feeeelings have no business in government. They should feel safe to sit back on the sideline and bitch whine and moan about how the game is played by people with the stomach to actually play the game. OR...as an alternative...they should feel free to take their happy ass over there and 'negotiate' with the terrorists.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So far, every 'example' you cited has been a lie, misstatement, or partial truth. Yet you think you are scoring points. In every example terrorists were present. You make silly statements like "we arent at war with Yemen" and ignore the fact that it is the Yemen government and defense ministry that is working with and coordinating the attacks on terror targets. In the last, terrorists were present and the target missed. Tragic...but that happens. Communities that harbor terrorists sometimes suffer the dire consequences.

    As to your 'unbiased'report, did they cite even one legit target eliminated or did they merely focus on a few tragic tales? oh...believe me...I have empathy for the unintended victims. I also understand the real world and the need to combat terrorism. Thats why people that are ruled by feeeelings have no business in government. They should feel safe to sit back on the sideline and bitch whine and moan about how the game is played by people with the stomach to actually play the game. OR...as an alternative...they should feel free to take their happy ass over there and 'negotiate' with the terrorists.
    Based on what? Please, go ahead and show proof every example is a lie, misstatement and/or partial truth. So far, you have shown ZERO evidence to the contrary. I am surprised you have not done so earlier.

    And wait, wanting to be sure executive powers are not being abused = being ruled by feelings now? That is a bit of a stretch

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah. It's perfectly fine to kill at will and **** all who happen to be standing nearby, but pouring water over them? Hmmmm.
    By 'killing at will' are you referring to George Bush's aerial war against Iraq, where all kinds of folks who 'happen to be standing nearby' were killed? Or the bombings of World War II? Or does it only offend your tender sensibilities when it's a Democratic President and he's actually being successful?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So far, every 'example' you cited has been a lie, misstatement, or partial truth. Yet you think you are scoring points. In every example terrorists were present. You make silly statements like "we arent at war with Yemen" and ignore the fact that it is the Yemen government and defense ministry that is working with and coordinating the attacks on terror targets. In the last, terrorists were present and the target missed. Tragic...but that happens. Communities that harbor terrorists sometimes suffer the dire consequences.

    As to your 'unbiased'report, did they cite even one legit target eliminated or did they merely focus on a few tragic tales? oh...believe me...I have empathy for the unintended victims. I also understand the real world and the need to combat terrorism. Thats why people that are ruled by feeeelings have no business in government. They should feel safe to sit back on the sideline and bitch whine and moan about how the game is played by people with the stomach to actually play the game. OR...as an alternative...they should feel free to take their happy ass over there and 'negotiate' with the terrorists.
    Could you briefly describe what a terrorist looks like on a video monitor?

    How does a terrorist look differently than a shepherd, for example?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    By 'killing at will' are you referring to George Bush's aerial war against Iraq, where all kinds of folks who 'happen to be standing nearby' were killed? Or the bombings of World War II? Or does it only offend your tender sensibilities when it's a Democratic President and he's actually being successful?
    Successful at what?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Both of your articles cited the same strike. So...2 points...1-Take it up with the Yemen government that authorized the airstrike. 2-"A senior Defense Ministry official said the strike initially targeted two members of al-Thahab clan who lead the terror network's operations in the province. He said the militants were in a vehicle near the one that was hit, and fled unharmed."
    The government of Yemen?

    That sounds eerily like the Nuremberg Defense--I tortured and killed because my superiof officer told me to.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Within our borders we ARE taking out terrorists. In the ME...same thing. Let the Euros take it to the international courts all they want.
    What terrorists within our borders are we taking out?

    Pizza deliverymen who are deluded and seduced into thinking they can attack Fort Dix?

    Or enthusiastic young men who think they can attack the Federal Reserve Bank?

    It sounds like you might have watched one too many episodes of 24.

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