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    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was not part of a terrorist group. He was a minor, an American citizen. A civilian.

    The government killed one of it's own citizens. A civilian. There is no proof he was involved with any terrorist groups, nor was he involved in terrorist activity at the time of his death.

    We clear so far? This one story right here disproves and invalidates everything you have been saying. No amount of spin on your part can change the facts.
    The gov can kill a thousand of them if they are chillin in terrorist camps in the ME.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The gov can kill a thousand of them if they are chillin in terrorist camps in the ME.
    1. Once again, this is not the issue. No one ever said they <can't> (at least not me). Maybe I or someone else said they should not be able to without oversight, but that is totally different from <they can't>. Theoretically they <can> do <anything> really. What is your point?

    2. What do you mean by <terrorist camps>? The places where terrorists train?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    1. Once again, this is not the issue. No one ever said they <can't> (at least not me). Maybe I or someone else said they should not be able to without oversight, but that is totally different from <they can't>. Theoretically they <can> do <anything> really. What is your point?

    2. What do you mean by <terrorist camps>? The places where terrorists train?
    Terrorist camps are the places where intel sources indicate they are camping, residing, training, or whatever. I think you believe that the administration is merely launching drone attacks at anything that moves and NOT merely acting on actionable intel.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Terrorist camps are the places where intel sources indicate they are camping, residing, training, or whatever. I think you believe that the administration is merely launching drone attacks at anything that moves and NOT merely acting on actionable intel.
    Drone strikes on first responders? At funerals? No civilians here, only terrorists. Keep drinking the kool-aid kid

    Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says - CNN.com

    <But it concludes that drone strikes, which are conducted by the CIA in a country not at war with the United States, are too harmful to civilians, too sloppy, legally questionable and do more harm to U.S. interests than good.
    "A significant rethinking of current U.S. targeted killing and drone strike policies is long overdue," it says. "U.S. policy-makers, and the American public, cannot continue to ignore evidence of the civilian harm and counter-productive impacts of U.S. targeted killings and drone strikes in Pakistan.">

    Other links:

    Drone 'Double Tap' Targets First Responders - Business Insider

    Report Cites High Civilian Toll in Pakistan Drone Strikes - NYTimes.com

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Obama (administration) has shown a complete lack of regard for civilian casualties.
    Would you prefer the WWII alternative that gave the world Dresden and Hiroshima?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Terrorist camps are the places where intel sources indicate they are camping, residing, training, or whatever. I think you believe that the administration is merely launching drone attacks at anything that moves and NOT merely acting on actionable intel.
    Here is another one:

    Drone strike kills 13 civilians &mdash; RT

    Suspected U.S. drone strike kills civilians in Yemen, officials say - CNN.com

    How about that intel! No terrorist, all civilians. Hmm, could this be due to them not identifying their targets? Oh wait nooo way, WAR ON TERROR! AMERICA! YEAH!

    Yeah, keep on trying buddy. You are doing a fine job

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Here is another one:

    Drone strike kills 13 civilians — RT

    Suspected U.S. drone strike kills civilians in Yemen, officials say - CNN.com

    How about that intel! No terrorist, all civilians. Hmm, could this be due to them not identifying their targets? Oh wait nooo way, WAR ON TERROR! AMERICA! YEAH!

    Yeah, keep on trying buddy. You are doing a fine job
    Both of your articles cited the same strike. So...2 points...1-Take it up with the Yemen government that authorized the airstrike. 2-"A senior Defense Ministry official said the strike initially targeted two members of al-Thahab clan who lead the terror network's operations in the province. He said the militants were in a vehicle near the one that was hit, and fled unharmed."

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Here is another one:

    Drone strike kills 13 civilians RT

    Suspected U.S. drone strike kills civilians in Yemen, officials say - CNN.com

    How about that intel! No terrorist, all civilians. Hmm, could this be due to them not identifying their targets? Oh wait nooo way, WAR ON TERROR! AMERICA! YEAH!

    Yeah, keep on trying buddy. You are doing a fine job
    Civilian causualties have been steadily dropping. Would you rather we returned to "shock and awe"? We can't leave them alone to plot.



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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Drone strikes on first responders? At funerals? No civilians here, only terrorists. Keep drinking the kool-aid kid

    Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says - CNN.com

    <But it concludes that drone strikes, which are conducted by the CIA in a country not at war with the United States, are too harmful to civilians, too sloppy, legally questionable and do more harm to U.S. interests than good.
    "A significant rethinking of current U.S. targeted killing and drone strike policies is long overdue," it says. "U.S. policy-makers, and the American public, cannot continue to ignore evidence of the civilian harm and counter-productive impacts of U.S. targeted killings and drone strikes in Pakistan.">

    Other links:

    Drone 'Double Tap' Targets First Responders - Business Insider

    Report Cites High Civilian Toll in Pakistan Drone Strikes - NYTimes.com
    Im afraid you are the one drinking the koolaid. You take one or two lines and a misleading headline and use that as your 'evidence'. There is no 'targeting' of first responders. The drones launch two missiles at the target.

    Did you watch the video? Do you consider that an unbiased source?

    Best way for drone attacks to stop...stop housing and hiding terrorists.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Would you prefer the WWII alternative that gave the world Dresden and Hiroshima?
    If you can read my previous posts, I have already stated we need congressional oversight. That is actually what this whole thread is about, abusing executive powers.

    And I see what you are doing. We have a bad situation, and you offer a worse situation. Very lame attempt to change the subject

    I see a few flaws with your suggestion.

    First, the US was officially at war with Germany and Japan. We are not at war with Pakistan or Yemen.

    Second, these drone attacks are being conducted by the CIA 'secretly' with no congressional oversight.

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