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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    From the article/video:

    <Robert Gibbs defended the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists.>

    This right here is my problem with their "fight on terror". It is not a matter of personal choice & consequence. Obama (administration) has shown a complete lack of regard for civilian casualties. This does not help our cause at all. It only incites more violence and unnecessarily prolongs the war. The killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki perfectly shows the administration's mindset.

    The more we disregard civilian casualties, friends and family will take up arms against us, as anyone in that situation would. This means a longer war, and more American lives lost. You can keep supporting this all you want. I will keep voicing my concerns of actions that lead to an endless circle of violence.
    I got news for you. It is entirely unlikely that dood was hanging out with unconcerned innocent civilians. Its also highly unlikely that they lobbed a missile at an anonymous gathering of innocent civilians.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I got news for you. It is entirely unlikely that dood was hanging out with unconcerned innocent civilians. Its also highly unlikely that they lobbed a missile at an anonymous gathering of innocent civilians.
    It is beyond unlikely that the drone killings are legal. It is certain that they are in violation of US and international law.

    Those who defend it are morally and legally confused.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It is beyond unlikely that the drone killings are legal. It is certain that they are in violation of US and international law.

    Those who defend it are morally and legally confused.
    All you have to do is cite the law they are violating and then bring them up in international courts. Me...Im all for taking out terrorists.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    All you have to do is cite the law they are violating and then bring them up in international courts. Me...Im all for taking out terrorists.
    I cannot afford to take them to international courts, even though a fair number of Europeans and others are talking about it.

    If you're all for taking out terrorists, you might check out the District of Columbia. For your goal, that would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I cannot afford to take them to international courts, even though a fair number of Europeans and others are talking about it.

    If you're all for taking out terrorists, you might check out the District of Columbia. For your goal, that would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
    Within our borders we ARE taking out terrorists. In the ME...same thing. Let the Euros take it to the international courts all they want.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I got news for you. It is entirely unlikely that dood was hanging out with unconcerned innocent civilians. Its also highly unlikely that they lobbed a missile at an anonymous gathering of innocent civilians.
    Also from the article:

    U.S. drones are targeting people who've never pledged to carry out attacks in the United States. Take Pakistan, where the CIA kills some people without even knowing their identities.

    You should really read the article

    The problem here is the government is not even sure who they are killing in drone strikes. As I have stated, complete disregard for human lives, civilian casualties. Oversight is sorely needed.

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    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Also from the article:

    U.S. drones are targeting people who've never pledged to carry out attacks in the United States. Take Pakistan, where the CIA kills some people without even knowing their identities.

    You should really read the article

    The problem here is the government is not even sure who they are killing in drone strikes. As I have stated, complete disregard for human lives, civilian casualties. Oversight is sorely needed.
    And you should quote the entire article...not just the snippets you like. In that same paragraph the article states the are targeting terror groups...not random unknown innocent Pakistanis.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And you should quote the entire article...not just the snippets you like. In that same paragraph the article states the are targeting terror groups...not random unknown innocent Pakistanis.
    One needs to be identified first before being placed in a terror group

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    One needs to be identified first before being placed in a terror group
    Known terror groups are identified by using intel resources. I get that you find it hard to grasp, but we actually have a lot of HUMINT and other forces providing intel and it is entirely unrealistic to wait til you can walk up to someone in a mountain camp in in Pakistan and say "I say there, chap...you wouldnt happen to be a terrorist would you?"

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Known terror groups are identified by using intel resources. I get that you find it hard to grasp, but we actually have a lot of HUMINT and other forces providing intel and it is entirely unrealistic to wait til you can walk up to someone in a mountain camp in in Pakistan and say "I say there, chap...you wouldnt happen to be a terrorist would you?"
    Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was not part of a terrorist group. He was a minor, an American citizen. A civilian.

    The government killed one of it's own citizens. A civilian. There is no proof he was involved with any terrorist groups, nor was he involved in terrorist activity at the time of his death.

    We clear so far? This one story right here disproves and invalidates everything you have been saying. No amount of spin on your part can change the facts.

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