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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    All manner of people? Oh noes!
    Does this suggest that you are uninformed of certain facts?

    Or just that you would rather not discuss them? Are you saying you condone the murders by drone?

    Or just that you believe without question every statement made by the DoD?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Truly amazing. If this were GWB, those opposing the current actions by Obama would be leading the charge. Those championing Obamas anti-terror efforts would be burning Bush in effigy. What a country.

    Obama is right to continue the Bush policies re the war on terror. He is right to target specific terrorists. If they happen to have been born on American soil and 'choose' to go to foreign lands to fight for their 'cause', say hello to 'consequence'.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Truly amazing. If this were GWB, those opposing the current actions by Obama would be leading the charge. Those championing Obamas anti-terror efforts would be burning Bush in effigy. What a country.

    Obama is right to continue the Bush policies re the war on terror. He is right to target specific terrorists. If they happen to have been born on American soil and 'choose' to go to foreign lands to fight for their 'cause', say hello to 'consequence'.
    Bush's "plan" was to place 200,000 Americans in the heart of the middle east to act as targets and recruiting aids for Alqueada, the neocons "partner" in their "unending war."
    Rather than trying to destroy Alqeada and its leaders Bush's actions actually doubled their numbers while he was in office.
    Obama has abandoned the recruiting for Alqueada by leaving Iraq and now Afghanistan in favor of actually targeting those that would do us harm.
    The danger is that this plan way weaken Alqueda to the point where they are no longer a threat, I think that is the real "consequence" you are worrying about.

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    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush's "plan" was to place 200,000 Americans in the heart of the middle east to act as targets and recruiting aids for Alqueada, the neocons "partner" in their "unending war."
    Rather than trying to destroy Alqeada and its leaders Bush's actions actually doubled their numbers while he was in office.
    Obama has abandoned the recruiting for Alqueada by leaving Iraq and now Afghanistan in favor of actually targeting those that would do us harm.
    The danger is that this plan way weaken Alqueda to the point where they are no longer a threat, I think that is the real "consequence" you are worrying about.
    Mindless myopia is an illness but one you CAN cure. Just requires you to actually THINK. Lets he very honest. Bush signed the agreement to withdraw from Iraq in 2008. Obama did a good job not ****ing it up. Obama bashed the Bush surge in Iraq, then implemented a surge in Afghanistan. Problem is...there is no leadership and the surge has stalled. However...those two realities aren't what this thread is about. This thread is about Obama following and in fact stepping up the drone attacks on terror targets. This is about Obama rightfully targeting terror targets. This is about Obama it only following the Patriot Act but expanding its use. This is about Obama not only not closing GITMO, reversing field on constitutional rights for terrorists and civilian trial but in fact increasing black ops prison use. This is about Obama doing a good job and the knee jerk tendency of many conservatives to attack the job he is doing solely based on it being Obama and it is about the knee jerk liberal types that spent 8 years bashing Bush and now championing Obama when he does the same things Bush did. It's....sad really.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Mindless myopia is an illness but one you CAN cure. Just requires you to actually THINK. Lets he very honest. Bush signed the agreement to withdraw from Iraq in 2008. Obama did a good job not ****ing it up. Obama bashed the Bush surge in Iraq, then implemented a surge in Afghanistan. Problem is...there is no leadership and the surge has stalled. However...those two realities aren't what this thread is about. This thread is about Obama following and in fact stepping up the drone attacks on terror targets. This is about Obama rightfully targeting terror targets. This is about Obama it only following the Patriot Act but expanding its use. This is about Obama not only not closing GITMO, reversing field on constitutional rights for terrorists and civilian trial but in fact increasing black ops prison use. This is about Obama doing a good job and the knee jerk tendency of many conservatives to attack the job he is doing solely based on it being Obama and it is about the knee jerk liberal types that spent 8 years bashing Bush and now championing Obama when he does the same things Bush did. It's....sad really.
    The sad part is that you actually believe that Bush would have withdrawn all our troops from Iraq like Obama did. The neocons would never have let him and under a Republican adminsitration we would still have 20,000 troops there just like Romney suggested we should.
    Remember, Bush promised an endless war and went to great pains to make sure that would be the outcome.

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    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The sad part is that you actually believe that Bush would have withdrawn all our troops from Iraq like Obama did. The neocons would never have let him and under a Republican adminsitration we would still have 20,000 troops there just like Romney suggested we should.
    Remember, Bush promised an endless war and went to great pains to make sure that would be the outcome.
    Do you not follow history or the news like...AT ALL? Maybe you missed that whole status I forces agreement signed in 2008 and ratified by the Iraqi parliament MANDATING troops be withdrawn from the cities in 2009 and the country by Dec 2011.

    Yeah...I guess in your rush to slobber over Obama ya kinda miss the facts.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you not follow history or the news like...AT ALL? Maybe you missed that whole status I forces agreement signed in 2008 and ratified by the Iraqi parliament MANDATING troops be withdrawn from the cities in 2009 and the country by Dec 2011.

    Yeah...I guess in your rush to slobber over Obama ya kinda miss the facts.
    The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have cost over 1 trilion dollars so far, and over 6,500 troops have made the ultimate sacrifice. Mitt Romney would have left 30,000 troops in Iraq. He called bringing them home “tragic”. Romney wants to leave our troops in Afghanistan and called Obama’s bringing 30,000 soldiers home Obama’s “biggest mistake.”

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    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have cost over 1 trilion dollars so far, and over 6,500 troops have made the ultimate sacrifice. Mitt Romney would have left 30,000 troops in Iraq. He called bringing them home “tragic”. Romney wants to leave our troops in Afghanistan and called Obama’s bringing 30,000 soldiers home Obama’s “biggest mistake.”
    Nice dodge. You could have just said 'touché' and acknowledged how stupid your previous position was but instead wen a completely different route. Well...whatever works for you.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Mindless myopia is an illness but one you CAN cure. Just requires you to actually THINK. Lets he very honest. Bush signed the agreement to withdraw from Iraq in 2008. Obama did a good job not ****ing it up. Obama bashed the Bush surge in Iraq, then implemented a surge in Afghanistan. Problem is...there is no leadership and the surge has stalled. However...those two realities aren't what this thread is about. This thread is about Obama following and in fact stepping up the drone attacks on terror targets. This is about Obama rightfully targeting terror targets. This is about Obama it only following the Patriot Act but expanding its use. This is about Obama not only not closing GITMO, reversing field on constitutional rights for terrorists and civilian trial but in fact increasing black ops prison use. This is about Obama doing a good job and the knee jerk tendency of many conservatives to attack the job he is doing solely based on it being Obama and it is about the knee jerk liberal types that spent 8 years bashing Bush and now championing Obama when he does the same things Bush did. It's....sad really.
    Good post. Obama has done very few good things in his administration, and has had to work very hard to distract his base from those accomplishments because the base complained so loudly when Bush did them. And you are quite right about the lack of leadership, which is true at home and abroad.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Truly amazing. If this were GWB, those opposing the current actions by Obama would be leading the charge. Those championing Obamas anti-terror efforts would be burning Bush in effigy. What a country.

    Obama is right to continue the Bush policies re the war on terror. He is right to target specific terrorists. If they happen to have been born on American soil and 'choose' to go to foreign lands to fight for their 'cause', say hello to 'consequence'.
    I think they should take to the next logical level, and target anybody at all who criticizes the government or its wars. And then, perhaps, to anybody who criticizes any government official.

    And I'll double down, and say let's just eliminate trials completely. To paraphrase President Nixon, when the President does it, it's legal.

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