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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

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    There's widespread bi-partisan support because Bush had the same thing, and it's likely Romney will too if he gets the chance.
    You mean kinda like there was widespread bipartisan support for slavery?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

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    "The second notable statement concerns the killing of 16-year-old American citizen Abdulrahman al-Awlaki."

    Doesn't sound like an American to me.
    That's not race-baiting at all...nope couldn't be. You're not a liberal.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You mean kinda like there was widespread bipartisan support for slavery?
    There was until 1856.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's widespread bi-partisan support because Bush had the same thing, and it's likely Romney will too if he gets the chance.
    There is wide spread bi-partisan support for killing suspected terrorist but NOT for treating them like "criminals" and putting them into our justice system once they are captured.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There was until 1856.
    I wasn't speaking so much to the historical record--you're quite right on what you've said. I'm speaking more to the moral issues raised by both questions, especially as to the thread subject of assassination of people without due process, rather Stalinesque with modern american technology.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    I don't particularly like the idea of killing an American citizen without charges, trial, or conviction, especially when said citizen is not actively targeting U.S. citizens or allies at the time of their death.

    We captured Sadam and let his people put him on trial. We captured the 9/11 masterminds. We actually tried to have them tried in non-military courts for their crimes. We captured and provided medical care for the asshole who killed soldiers at Ft. Hood. We arrested, detained, and charged all of those attempted bombers that the FBI set-up in Dallas, Chicago, and New York.

    Yet we go overseas and target somebody (a minor, no less) via drone attack because they are allegedly members of a terrorist group? How dangerous was this 16 year old boy that we couldn't utilized our partnership with Yemeni officials to have him captured and extradited? Further, how can we ever be assured that these methods won't be utilized within our own borders? The govt. is already using drone technology for "surveillance". How much harder would it be to arm and target one to use against a perceived threat?

    It's a fine line, and I think we're a hair's width away from crossing it if we haven't already.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I wasn't speaking so much to the historical record--you're quite right on what you've said. I'm speaking more to the moral issues raised by both questions, especially as to the thread subject of assassination of people without due process, rather Stalinesque with modern american technology.
    Oh, absolutely. While there is bi-partisan support, it's just a matter of time before that evaporates. There's discontent in both parties over it. The only question is will one party change it's mind, or are we facing an 1856-type situation where one party splits apart over the issue and a new party is formed by the discontents in both.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't particularly like the idea of killing an American citizen without charges, trial, or conviction, especially when said citizen is not actively targeting U.S. citizens or allies at the time of their death.

    We captured Sadam and let his people put him on trial. We captured the 9/11 masterminds. We actually tried to have them tried in non-military courts for their crimes. We captured and provided medical care for the asshole who killed soldiers at Ft. Hood. We arrested, detained, and charged all of those attempted bombers that the FBI set-up in Dallas, Chicago, and New York.

    Yet we go overseas and target somebody (a minor, no less) via drone attack because they are allegedly members of a terrorist group? How dangerous was this 16 year old boy that we couldn't utilized our partnership with Yemeni officials to have him captured and extradited? Further, how can we ever be assured that these methods won't be utilized within our own borders? The govt. is already using drone technology for "surveillance". How much harder would it be to arm and target one to use against a perceived threat?

    It's a fine line, and I think we're a hair's width away from crossing it if we haven't already.
    Oh we have crossed the line, clearly.

    There is no constitutional authority for the Prez to do what he has done. I challenge anybody to provide such authority in the document. It ain't there.

    People can try to rationalize these illegal actions, as they will, but the fact is the actions of the government are illegal both under the Constitution, and under international law. We are, in fact, committing war crimes.

    The american political system is rather admiring the Emperor's New Clothes.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's widespread bi-partisan support because Bush had the same thing, and it's likely Romney will too if he gets the chance.
    Theeeeere it is. It took all the way to the end of the page to deflect to Bush. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUSH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBAMA AND DRONE STRIKES.

    I'm not sure which is worse: seemingly indiscriminate killings by drone strike or refusal to use them to protect our consulate. Both amount to murder as far as I'm concerned. I hear it's good to be king, evidently it excuses all kinds of behavior. Right now I'd be happy to have a horny guy back in office, at least the payload he's delivering isn't fatal.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    In the case of domestic drones, whether they be surveillance or attack drones, what do you suppose the penalty would be to a citizen who took one down? We have laws against illegal search (in theory) so the drones would be instruments of illegal activity.

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