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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    You are so uninformed it is pathetic

    He was in Yemen. YEMEN! When the hell was Yemen a terrorist haven


    Yemen is not a terrorist factory - CNN

    Is Yemen a terrorist country
    What's amusing is that you consider YOURSELF to be well informed. One of your links is two years old (that's prior to the Arab Spring and the ousting of Saleh - a rather important development in the status of Yemen don't you think?) and the other is a wiki-answers question

    The fact of the matter is that the locus of terrorism has pivoted west away from AfPak (largely due to our military efforts) and towards the Arabian Peninsula and the Maghreb. Yemen has been in an effective state of turmoil since 2011 during which AQAP has been been able to capitalize and expand. The Yemen government has been warring against AQAP in the south for over a year now. AQAP is estimated to be in the thousands now rather than the hundreds it was in 2010.

    Triage for a Fracturing Yemen - By April Longley Alley | The Middle East Channel

    Losing Yemen - By Gregory Johnsen | Foreign Policy

    Building a Yemeni state while lossing a nation - By Silvana Toska | The Middle East Channel

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Nor does the government have control over where his father takes him.
    His father was killed two weeks earlier. Not the same strike.

    Several people have pointed out that there is no evidence that the 16 year old was in fact the target of the attack that killed him. Until you provide evidence to the contrary the kid was merely a collateral casualty and this whole thread is effectively moot.
    Call me old fashioned, but I think when the government kills its own citizens and will provide no evidence or even an explanation of why, we shouldn't just blithely dismiss it as a "collateral casualty." They have some explaining to do.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Obvious back-pedaling
    NOt at all. I'm merely stating that EVEN IF IT IS ONLY A FEW HUNDRED - and I don't concede for a minute that it is, it's now a few hundred minus a few.

    You go ahead and shed your tears for terrorists and their sympathizers. I'll save mine for their victims.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    What's amusing is that you consider YOURSELF to be well informed. One of your links is two years old (that's prior to the Arab Spring and the ousting of Saleh - a rather important development in the status of Yemen don't you think?) and the other is a wiki-answers question

    The fact of the matter is that the locus of terrorism has pivoted west away from AfPak (largely due to our military efforts) and towards the Arabian Peninsula and the Maghreb. Yemen has been in an effective state of turmoil since 2011 during which AQAP has been been able to capitalize and expand. The Yemen government has been warring against AQAP in the south for over a year now. AQAP is estimated to be in the thousands now rather than the hundreds it was in 2010.

    Triage for a Fracturing Yemen - By April Longley Alley | The Middle East Channel

    Losing Yemen - By Gregory Johnsen | Foreign Policy

    Building a Yemeni state while lossing a nation - By Silvana Toska | The Middle East Channel
    I can tell you now that those sympathetic to the terrorist cause will simply ignore this post.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    His father was killed two weeks earlier. Not the same strike.
    So? The government is still not responsible for the boy being in Yemen or being at a location where the US is known to be actively conducting strikes against Al Qaeda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Call me old fashioned, but I think when the government kills its own citizens and will provide no evidence or even an explanation of why, we shouldn't just blithely dismiss it as a "collateral casualty." They have some explaining to do.
    What's there to explain? Civilians and other individuals that we do not intend to kill sometimes get killed by our attacks. It's unfortunate, and our military does its best to avoid such occurrences.

    If there was a continued emerging pattern of US citizens being targeted and killed around the world, that would be pause for concern. I don't find one person whose father was known to be involved with terrorism and who, himself, may or may not have been actively involved with Al Qaeda who was killed in an air strike over a year ago with zero evidence that he was the intended target of said attack to be terribly alarming.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    So? The government is still not responsible for the boy being in Yemen or being at a location where the US is known to be actively conducting strikes against Al Qaeda.




    What's there to explain? Civilians and other individuals that we do not intend to kill sometimes get killed by our attacks. It's unfortunate, and our military does its best to avoid such occurrences.

    If there was a continued emerging pattern of US citizens being targeted and killed around the world, that would be pause for concern. I don't find one person whose father was known to be involved with terrorism and who, himself, may or may not have been actively involved with Al Qaeda who was killed in an air strike over a year ago with zero evidence that he was the intended target of said attack to be terribly alarming.
    The government IS responsible for breaking the law.

    Do you think the government should be held accountable for its law breaking?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What's even more troubling is that when the NYT ran its piece on the inner workings of the Obama team prosecuting these things, it was said that "due process" was satisfied by the deliberations of the President and his team . . . and this was presented as a good thing, or uncontroversial at the very worst.
    The NYT is merely a mouthpiece for the federal government. As with so many newspapers, it is no longer practicing journalism as it was once known. It merely supports government decisions and actions.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The government IS responsible for breaking the law.

    Do you think the government should be held accountable for its law breaking?
    Which law was broken? The law that says it's illegal to kill americans who hang out with terrorists? Do you have a cite for that law?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Which law was broken? The law that says it's illegal to kill americans who hang out with terrorists? Do you have a cite for that law?
    This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this board. Truly, shockingly, astonishingly stupid. The world that you live in which could produce such thoughts is terrifying indeed.

    If the most basic notions of murder aren't enough for you, nor the horror contemplated by it being perfectly legal for the government to kill Americans who merely "hang out with terrorists" if can even be proven that they do, here's a refresher on the 5th Amendment:


    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The government IS responsible for breaking the law.

    Do you think the government should be held accountable for its law breaking?
    What law did the government break?

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