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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, there's a convincing case to be made that somebody who leaves his country and lives in a terrorist haven, surrounded by Al Qaeda terrorists, is just a tourist.
    I hope you are being sarcastic.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    You are so uninformed it is pathetic

    He was in Yemen. YEMEN! When the hell was Yemen a terrorist haven
    When has it not been?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So let me get this straight..in order for terrorists to be safe from any threat from the United States, they just need to find a sympathetic american to come and live with them?
    First of all, your inclusion of the word "just" implies that this is an easy thing for them to do. There are very few Americans that would be interested in such an arrangement. Second of all, it's unclear that this kid was just collateral damage in a targeted strike on OTHER terrorists because the Obama Administration will not say.

    Again, you will be providing proof that this was an innocent American citizen who was specifically targeted by the United States?
    The burden of proof should not be on me. This kid was an American citizen who should be considered innocent until proven guilty. The Obama Administration hasn't even accused him of any wrongdoing. The burden of proof for a president to order the death of an American citizen should be far higher than "I think he's a bad guy." And it should CERTAINLY be higher than "I think he might be a bad guy, but who knows?" This kind of **** should, at the very least, be routed through a federal judge with evidence that 1) he had broken the law, 2) he was an ongoing threat to the United States, and 3) he could not be extradited as a practical matter.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, if it's true that its only a few hundred, then it's a few hundred minus a few now. Don't try and get me to shed tears for these bastards. They deserve whatever they get, and so do those who shelter them and associate with them.
    Obvious back-pedaling

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    When has it not been?
    When has it been?

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    First of all, your inclusion of the word "just" implies that this is an easy thing for them to do. There are very few Americans that would be interested in such an arrangement. Second of all, it's unclear that this kid was just collateral damage in a targeted strike on OTHER terrorists because the Obama Administration will not say.



    The burden of proof should not be on me. This kid was an American citizen who should be considered innocent until proven guilty. The Obama Administration hasn't even accused him of any wrongdoing. The burden of proof for a president to order the death of an American citizen should be far higher than "I think he's a bad guy." And it should CERTAINLY be higher than "I think he might be a bad guy, but who knows?" This kind of **** should, at the very least, be routed through a federal judge with evidence that 1) he had broken the law, 2) he was an ongoing threat to the United States, and 3) he could not be extradited as a practical matter.
    It just boils down to, at least for some folks, is that the politician who order their deaths, was someone they liked, so it's ok.

    Seems that not many have the stones, to stand up for justice and ethics first, rather than politics.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    It's constitutional because it falls in line with the powers given to the legislative and executive branches in the constitution, the AUMF was a piece of legislation created over 10 years ago, it's been cited in court cases, the supreme court is well aware of it's existence so yes the fact that they have not ruled it unlawful says a lot, it says enough to reasonably say that it is in line with constitutional law (as we interpret it today). Obviously that can change but it's common knowledge that our views and the way we interpret things change with time and that certain laws change in different generation so I shouldn't have to point that out. It holds even more true since the US Supreme court has in the past supported an increase in the powers of the commander and chief if congress also supports the actions taken by the commander in chief (Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer)

    Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer
    The AUMF is superfluous sophistry, bought into only by those who support the government agenda, or by those who don't understand the Constitution and its principles.

    The Prez was ALREADY the C-in-C, and can do as he pleases. In the ideal, he would eventually have to explain his actions to Congress, after any given crisis might pass.

    The AUMF was window dressing meant for the gullible and uninformed. In a sense, it was an abdication of responsibility by Congress, and a perverse effort in support of dictatorship.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    You are so uninformed it is pathetic

    He was in Yemen. YEMEN! When the hell was Yemen a terrorist haven


    Yemen is not a terrorist factory - CNN

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    The year before he died the US had been urging American citizens in Yemen to leave and warning American citizens not to go to the country because it was getting increasingly dangerous there:

    Thomas F. Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council. “For over the past year, the Department of State has publicly urged U.S. citizens not to travel to Yemen and has encouraged those already in Yemen to leave because of the continuing threat of violence and the presence of terrorist organizations, including AQAP, throughout the country.”

    Anwar al-Awlaki’s family speaks out against his, son’s deaths - The Washington Post
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The AUMF is superfluous sophistry, bought into only by those who support the government agenda, or by those who don't understand the Constitution and its principles.

    The Prez was ALREADY the C-in-C, and can do as he pleases. In the ideal, he would eventually have to explain his actions to Congress, after any given crisis might pass.

    The AUMF was window dressing meant for the gullible and uninformed. In a sense, it was an abdication of responsibility by Congress, and a perverse effort in support of dictatorship.
    What about the AUMF do you believe to be unconstitutional?
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    What about the AUMF do you believe to be unconstitutional?
    I did not say it was unconstitutional. I said it was superfluous sophistry and apparently a perverse effort at dictatorial powers. Certainly it appears that way 10 years later.

    I also said it was an abdication of responsibility and power by Congress. That might be interpreted as unconstitutional, but it is certainly poor governance.

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