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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    It's constitutional because it falls in line with the powers given to the legislative and executive branches in the constitution, the AUMF was a piece of legislation created over 10 years ago, it's been cited in court cases, the supreme court is well aware of it's existence so yes the fact that they have not ruled it unlawful says a lot, it says enough to reasonably say that it is in line with constitutional law (as we interpret it today). Obviously that can change but it's common knowledge that our views and the way we interpret things change with time and that certain laws change in different generation so I shouldn't have to point that out. It holds even more true since the US Supreme court has in the past supported an increase in the powers of the commander and chief if congress also supports the actions taken by the commander in chief (Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer)

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    Good lord, does separation of powers mean nothing to you? It's simple. Congress passes a law, executive signs it, SCOTUS rules on its constitutionality. It's literally the basis for our entire government. A law getting passed does not make it constitutional anymore than somebody getting away with a crime make them innocent.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    actually, a missile fired from an American drone was directly responsible for the boy's death.

    at the heart of the matter is whether it is good policy to kill US citizens without due process.

    I'm supportive of the death penalty, and of war in general ( depending).. i'm not , however, supportive of summary executions of US Citizens by the US government.
    (I find it odd that so many lefties are actually supporting this and I'm not... that's not the usual course of things.)
    I think the accuracy of drones and the justification for using them should be the main issue here. The US wasn't targeting an american citizen, they were targeting a ranking member of Al-Qaeda. If anyone can prove that they were going after the son of Awlaki than I would be in agreement with most of the people here.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good lord, does separation of powers mean nothing to you? It's simple. Congress passes a law, executive signs it, SCOTUS rules on its constitutionality. It's literally the basis for our entire government. A law getting passed does not make it constitutional anymore than somebody getting away with a crime make them innocent.
    This is going nowhere, I explained my reasoning I cited a court case supporting it. I am aware of the division of powers, I'm glad you are too... If you disagree with my reasoning than you disagree with it even though it's right
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Care to elaborate?

    Sons bear the sins of the father?

    "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - Deuteronomy 24:16
    Not at all. The father knowingly put his son in danger.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Not at all. The father knowingly put his son in danger.
    His father had been dead for two weeks, when the drone strike hit the kid.
    The kid, an American citizen, was denied due process and was basically murdered.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Please let me know when more facts come out, because I have read nothing that indicates he was specifically targeted.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Not at all. The father knowingly put his son in danger.
    I like how you continue to reply with the same obscure response.

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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    I like how you continue to reply with the same obscure response.

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    Look, his father was a traitor who deliberately put his son in harm's way. Very sad for the son, I agree, but had his father NOT chosen his al Qaeda path, the son would be alive.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, his father certainly was. No evidence has been presented that the son was involved in any plots against the United States. So far, the Obama Administration won't even make an unsubstantiated CLAIM that he was.
    Yeah, there's a convincing case to be made that somebody who leaves his country and lives in a terrorist haven, surrounded by Al Qaeda terrorists, is just a tourist.
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    Re: How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American Citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    His father had been dead for two weeks, when the drone strike hit the kid.
    The kid, an American citizen, was denied due process and was basically murdered.
    No, he was a casualty of war. One started on September 11, 2001 with 3,000 American deaths. He chose his side and paid the price.
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