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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    If I was an American I would be happy by their presence, America is supposed to be the world leader in democracy and has shed blood to make sure others have the same right. So why not validate your own democracy to the world and show fundamentalists you have nothing to hide.
    They are coming to learn anything, they're coming to find something wrong. Why do you do you think the NAACP and ACLU bitched? Not because they think voting is fair.
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, if the people of the state want to decide for themselves, then the issue would be more legitimate if it was decided via popular referendum rather mandated by the Republican Party who would likely benefit from the change.
    Uhhh...what? Are you proposing getting rid of the representative democratic system and going to straight populism?

    No, the point is this was elected officials from the Republican Party who attempted to disenfranchise voters likely to vote for their opponents. Which is quite undemocratic. And so to ensure the democratic principles of our nation, early voting should be open for all voters.
    I think the point is you just want to attack the ideology of your choice and not actually discuss the topic on its own merits. Okay.
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Uhhh...what? Are you proposing getting rid of the representative democratic system and going to straight populism?
    I would like a process of popular referendum so that people of the states and of the entire nation may pass legislation that our representatives are unwilling to pass because of conflicts of interests they have, either to their own hold on power or when the needs of the American people are at odds with the special interests who lobby them for campaign donations.

    After all, considering the number of independent and third party voters there are in this nation, Republicans and Democrats are hardly representative of the American people.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I think the point is you just want to attack the ideology of your choice and not actually discuss the topic on its own merits. Okay.
    Well, you can think that if you want, but it's not true.

    The fact is that the government officials of the Republican Party attempted to make it more difficult for voters who tend to vote against them from expressing themselves in the electoral process, and the people of that state are lucky to have a court system that patently saw through this corrupt method and barred it.

    Because the Republican Party would rather ensure that only voters that tend to vote for them be the ones voting than change their political positions that represent a greater number of the American people.

    And I say this a registered member of the Republican Party.
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I would like a process of popular referendum so that people of the states and of the entire nation may pass legislation that our representatives are unwilling to pass because of conflicts of interests they have, either to their own hold on power or when the needs of the American people are at odds with the special interests who lobby them for campaign donations.

    After all, considering the number of independent and third party voters there are in this nation, Republicans and Democrats are hardly representative of the American people.
    So you want referendums for what you think there should be referendums for? Okay, I think most people share that sentiment. I'd also like things to be as I wanted them to be. But, realistically, there needs to be a better system in place than that.

    Well, you can think that if you want, but it's not true.

    The fact is that the government officials of the Republican Party attempted to make it more difficult for voters who tend to vote against them from expressing themselves in the electoral process, and the people of that state are lucky to have a court system that patently saw through this corrupt method and barred it.

    Because the Republican Party would rather ensure that only voters that tend to vote for them be the ones voting than change their political positions that represent a greater number of the American people.

    And I say this a registered member of the Republican Party.
    Okay see, I came in here to talk about military voting versus civilian voting and to highlight why they're different in so many ways and need to be addressed as such. You're here to talk about party politics. If you want to talk about the differences, and if there should be some, hit me up. I don't give a **** about party politics. You cannot imagine of ****s that I do not give.
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay see, I came in here to talk about military voting versus civilian voting and to highlight why they're different in so many ways and need to be addressed as such.
    Fine. But my position is that they are not different, and both civilians and members of the military should have access to early voting.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You're here to talk about party politics. If you want to talk about the differences, and if there should be some, hit me up. I don't give a **** about party politics. You cannot imagine of ****s that I do not give.
    Fine then. If you want to ignore how the Republican Party is attempting to disenfranchise voters from the democratic process that this nation was founded upon, fine. That is your choice.

    But that doesn't mean it's not happening.
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Tigger, I've got news for you. The USA is a founding member of the U.N. and they even meet in this big building in NYC. Scary huh?
    Scary, not so much as disgusting. At least so far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Fine. But my position is that they are not different
    There we go. Without getting into Republicans or Democrats or other such nonsense I don't care about, why are they the same?

    Military members are asked to go to specific places that they are not residents of FOR the government. Not because they ask to. Not because they like the weather. Because they're doing it for the government. Why should they have to have the same accesses as a civilian, doing whatever he wants?
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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    There we go. Without getting into Republicans or Democrats or other such nonsense I don't care about, why are they the same?

    Military members are asked to go to specific places that they are not residents of FOR the government. Not because they ask to. Not because they like the weather. Because they're doing it for the government. Why should they have to have the same accesses as a civilian, doing whatever he wants?
    Because early voting is convenient for both civilians and military members. Which is why both should have the opportunity to vote early.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: UN to be at American Polls?

    It's not 'convenient' to most active duty service members, it's 'necessary'. That is why they're different. Glad we had this talk.
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