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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If you honestly belief religion is a choice, why don't you try choosing to believe in Christianity, and let me know how it works out for you.
    Religious belief isn't learned? It's not taught? It's something you're either born with or you're not? It's what....genetic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Religious belief isn't learned? It's not taught? It's something you're either born with or you're not? It's what....genetic?
    Beliefs can be taught; whether they're internalized as one's own beliefs, however, is a choice.

    And perhaps there is a genetic component--call it a "divine spark," if you will.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Religious belief isn't learned? It's not taught? It's something you're either born with or you're not? It's what....genetic?
    You sound like those people who think homosexual preference is a choice just because we haven't found the "gay gene."
    Such narrow minded arguments are amusing but kind of sad.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Beliefs can be taught; whether they're internalized as one's own beliefs, however, is a choice.

    And perhaps there is a genetic component--call it a "divine spark," if you will.
    Ahh, the chosen people argument.

    So entrance into heaven is now decided by your genes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Ahh, the chosen people argument.

    So entrance into heaven is now decided by your genes?
    Don't put words in my mouth, Spanky. I was actually thinking about Pope's "Essay on Man," Epistle I and what he said about the soul expatiating far away from home.

    Sigh, I should have known better...there's always an opportunistic philistine lurking around and waiting for an "Aha!" moment to pounce. Perhaps you need to drink a little more deeply of the Pierian Spring.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post

    So entrance into heaven is now decided by your genes?

    interesting point
    Last edited by madman; 10-26-12 at 03:42 PM.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I don't know, Catholics pretty much invented science... and it is a religion that is open to criticism among it's own members.
    Great observation! Gregor Mendel is considered the father of genetics, he was an Augustinian monk. Many of the Renaissance scholars were in fact Catholic, we still base many of the fundamentals of modern science on their work.
    Catholicism is very much a collaboration of philosophic and scientific thought... though some members of it throughout history may lead you to believe it is not, but they were corrupted by power like any other human being.
    Like anything else, there are people who divert from the main thought.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth, Spanky. I was actually thinking about Pope's "Essay on Man," Epistle I and what he said about the soul expatiating far away from home.

    Sigh, I should have known better...there's always an opportunistic philistine lurking around and waiting for an "Aha!" moment to pounce. Perhaps you need to drink a little more deeply of the Pierian Spring.
    You never heard the joke "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy"?

    Actually, I'm your worst enemy. I'm not a philistine, an atheist or a damn pagan, I'm a heretic in the grand tradition of Galileo. I come from a devout Irish Catholic family, went to Catholic school, altar boy, confirmation, the whole 9 yards. But at one point I began to question my faith and did some research and soul searching and came to the conclusion it was pretty much all BS. There may be a God but it isn't the caricature Judaism, Christian OR Islam has made their self serving God out to be.

    I left the plantation and it was the most liberating epiphany of my life.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't care if they make hin a saint. What I do find absurd and idolatrous is the idea that dead Catholics can have miracles atributed to them.
    exactly what I was thinking. That would be termed necromancy, which is blasphemy according to the Bible anyway. You know those kooky Catholics and Pope being the word of God on earth. What can ya do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    exactly what I was thinking. That would be termed necromancy, which is blasphemy according to the Bible anyway. You know those kooky Catholics and Pope being the word of God on earth. What can ya do?
    Necromancy is the raising of the dead, saints are considered higher order spirits who intervene in the finite world to do good(short version of it).
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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