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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
    I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?
    The proposition is based on faith and miraculous events: a difficult proposition for the immense skeptic of the concept itself.
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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The proposition is based on faith and miraculous events: a difficult proposition for the immense skeptic of the concept itself.
    I thought the decision to beatify and etc. with subject to scientific verification, so I Googled:

    "A miracle demands empirical proof that a healing phenomenon occurred without any credible scientific explanation."

    Everybody will appreciate the source: The Canonization Process for Sainthood - For Dummies

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I thought the decision to beatify and etc. with subject to scientific verification, so I Googled:

    "A miracle demands empirical proof that a healing phenomenon occurred without any credible scientific explanation."

    Everybody will appreciate the source: The Canonization Process for Sainthood - For Dummies
    The presumption most will have is that there is some scientific explanation, whether ignored by the institution or by a lack of scientific knowledge or information about that specific event.
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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I thought the Vatican was pretty scrupulous about verifying sainthood. When did this change?
    Hahaha whaaaaat? Scrupulous? What's scrupulous about a non-scientific investigation?
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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when is it anti-Catholic to you know.... be in favor of logical explanations to things? Oh wait... the Catholic church is, as a historical entity, anti-science. So being pro-science means you're anti-Catholic. We gets it. Carry on.
    I don't know, Catholics pretty much invented science... and it is a religion that is open to criticism among it's own members. Catholicism is very much a collaboration of philosophic and scientific thought... though some members of it throughout history may lead you to believe it is not, but they were corrupted by power like any other human being.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't care if they make hin a saint. What I do find absurd and idolatrous is the idea that dead Catholics can have miracles atributed to them.
    Incorrect, and based on a misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine. Ultimately it is God who is responsible for the miracle, saints merely "have God's ear" so to speak. It is not much different than the miracles of the Old Testament prophets or the Apostles, which all Christians acknowledge. Why anybody would leap to the conclusion that it is idolatrous without full possession of the facts is beyond me, and seems to indicate an anti-Catholic attitude.

    Here is a detailed explanation to correct your common error: The Intercession of the Saints | Catholic Answers

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    The general bigotry against Catholics revealed in this thread is stunning.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The general bigotry against Catholics revealed in this thread is stunning.
    The catholic church, the catholic empire, and the catholic corporation deserve every bit of scorn they get, and they deserve very little sympathy or empathy from it as well.

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    Re: Native American Catholic Saint???

    I am a little confused about this discussion.
    A religious organization decided to award and internal group award to a long dead member
    based on their own rules.
    What is there to discuss?

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