A Second CEO Threatens To Fire Employees If Obama Is Re-elected

Too much hyperbole from the OP. The CEO is explaining his thoughts about his company and it's independence. I see nothing that shows he threatened to fire anyone, but that wouldn't be fun for the OP to post. Disagree with what he said but don't mischaracterize what he said.

That's like saying because Obama has a dog that he hates cats.

joko104 said:

There is a big difference between changing stances on policies - with nothing wrong with that whatsoever - from making exact campaign promises hundreds of times and then doing 100% exactly the oposite when it was 100% possible to do what you promised.

I have no clue why anyone believes anything Obama says. His promises this time are exactly what he promised last time, and he did the opposite last time. So his campaign of believe him when he tells you he isn't lying this time is credible to you?

AND we know he will do exactly what he did the last time because he - like you - claim it is completely unacceptable to ever change about anything.

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To begin with, your assertions of Obama's "broken promises" are exaggerated to begin with. A FactCheck confirms that. He fulfilled some and not others. Most of the ones he didn't fulfill were due to extenuating circumstances.

Of course, if Obama had plausible reason to believe he would be in extenuating circumstances, than they aren't really extenuating -- it was just ploy. However, even in that case, is still only applies to a limited range of his promises.

Partial fulfillment of word is all anybody can expect in our political climate. You have to painstakingly count and measure it out to see if it was worth it.

But truth be told, whether a politician keeps their word or not is something I evaluate too closely because its not something I care much about to begin with. I evaluate political networks, their goals, and what they are able to achieve over long periods of time, not individuals.

Any employer of yours who saw that message should instantly fire anyone who made such a statement as a danger to everyone at the business.

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Okay. Anyone who engages in corporate apologetics should immediately be relieved of their voting rights as they can't be trusted to make decisions for the public good.

Good for him. Unlike our pathological liar president, he is being honest with his employees. We know Obama singularly cares only about himself and will lie, hurt and manipulate anyone for his political gain.

We well understand how deeply Obama hates freedom of speech after his UN speech.

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Once again killing any attraction of the "free market." If a free market entails this sort of intimidation, then nobody has any real incentive to maintain it, regardless of the consequences of getting rid of it.

Gipper said:

Would you prefer it if companies fired employees without advanced knowledge if Obama gets re-elected? I promise you that it'll happen.

Call it blackmail all you want. I call it a warning and common courtesy.

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I didnt realise that the US president runs the economy?

I thought you had a free market capitalist system?

Of course you dont - you have a fascist corpocratic Oligarchical Tyranny.

After all those trillions of dollars of tax payers money being funneled into inefficient corrupt corporates and banksters - and this is the thanks Obama gets

Remember what the Banksters told Obama post 2008 GFC - corporate bail outs or we will crash the market completely (and by market they mean Wall street scams and artificial paper trading)

So why would it surprise anyone that some CEO would act like financial terrorists and unpatriotic fascists?

helix2048 said:

No, it doesn't interfere with anyone's right to vote. However, there are a lot of people who might not be able to go to work for another company. For example, my job is a highly specialized IT position. I can't work for another company because I don't have a college degree to get my foot in the door, even though I have 12 years in my field.

Thankfully, my company doesn't pull bulls**t stunts like this.

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That would be a series of unfortunate decisions on your part. You've settled in to a position and appear to be trapped in it by your lack of training. Certainly not your employer's fault.

Originally Posted by Gipper
Would you prefer it if companies fired employees without advanced knowledge if Obama gets re-elected? I promise you that it'll happen.

Call it blackmail all you want. I call it a warning and common courtesy.

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If it is a question of preferences, I think I prefer that anybody fired under suspicion of such circumstances be paid unemployment at the expense of their former place of work.

Klown said:

I didnt realise that the US president runs the economy?

I thought you had a free market capitalist system?

Of course you dont - you have a fascist corpocratic Oligarchical Tyranny.

After all those trillions of dollars of tax payers money being funneled into inefficient corrupt corporates and banksters - and this is the thanks Obama gets

Remember what the Banksters told Obama post 2008 GFC - corporate bail outs or we will crash the market completely (and by market they mean Wall street scams and artificial paper trading)

So why would it surprise anyone that some CEO would act like financial terrorists and unpatriotic fascists?

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(sigh)

Ok, let me lay this out in a way maybe even you can understand. Most people in this country work for SMALL businesses, not major corporations. Yes, the government panders to the big boys, but it is out of expedience. They can talk to one really big company that is worth 1000X dollars or they can talk to 2000 companies that are each worth 1X dollars and hope to get half of them. In my business I can land a fleet account talking to one guy and get say 30 vehicles to work on or I can put in much more time and effort and find 15 new customers who each have 2 cars.

Here is what WE as small business owners are looking at coming in to this election. First, there is tax stability. There are a lot of investors out there who have a lot of money, but they are waiting until the election to see what their tax rates will be and how long they will be stable.I expect if Romney wins this investors will be immediately putting up growth capital. Where I am there are several production companies (such as NOK) who are waiting on this to decide how aggressively they will push growth, which means jobs. Those jobs translate to more people in the area making a paycheck, which leads to more potential customers for me, which leads to me hiring more techs. I'll be keeping a close eye on my work load from mid November to mid December. If things are up (lower unemployment in the area, higher retail sales numbers) I will bring on another tech about the first of the year. If those markers don't hit I will be looking at my next event marker, which is tax return season. Simply put there is a guy I already have in mind, and his immediate employment future is dependent on the effects of this election.

Where are the threats?

He doesn't even mention firing people, he says they may not continue to be an independent company.

hikari said:

The sky is falling and I didn't know?!?

The CEOs are just being stupid, "oh no, New regulations and I might have to adapt?" Talk about whining, Obama will probably win and give us another lackluster 4 years in which the sky won't fall and we won't be raptured by the glory of the free market either. It amazes me that anyone older than a teenager isn't mature enough to realize all this doom and gloom stuff never pans out.

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Companies DO adapt to regulations, usually by firing people.

helix2048 said:

A Second CEO Threatens To Fire Employees If Obama Is Re-elected



Is it me, or is this kind of bullying a bunch of BS? I don't think it should be legal for employers to pull this kind of stuff. People have the right to vote for whoever they want.

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It's not a threat it's just a sad fact and the reverse is also true. I told a couple of my laid off employees if Romney is elected I will hire them back. I am tired of doing the hard labor I used to have young men help me with and if Romney is elected I will feel more confident in putting a couple of guys back on the payroll.

sawyerloggingon said:

It's not a threat it's just a sad fact and the reverse is also true. I told a couple of my laid off employees if Romney is elected I will hire them back. I am tired of doing the hard labor I used to have young men help me with and if Romney is elected I will feel more confident in putting a couple of guys back on the payroll.

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So economic conditions don't regulate your business decisions, it's soley based on partisan politics?

rocket88 said:

So economic conditions don't regulate your business decisions, it's soley based on partisan politics?

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My decision is based on the fact that if obama is reelected I expect things to get worse, if Romney is elected I expect things to get better. Perception is sometimes reality and so many business people think this way that if Romney wins the economy will almost instantly improve. Right now in this obama world people are hesitant to hire or invest.

samsmart said:

So what you're saying is that it's okay for Romney to flip flop because he's a Republican, but when Obama can't fulfill campaign promises because of hostility from Congress he's a liar because he's a Democrat.

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How false can you be?

1. Obama had a majority of Democrats in both the House and Senate. Obama did not even propose what promised.
2. For the Bush tax cuts to expire, Obama had to do nothing. Instead, after the election, he personally endorsed renewing them. They are now NOT the Bush tax cuts, but the OBAMA tax cuts. If he wanted tax cuts for the middle class, he could have proposed this to his Democratic Congress. He did not.
3. He vowed to close Gitmo within 1 year. All it would take is his signature since he is commander-in-chief. He did not do so.

If Obama was incapable of doing anything but the exact opposite of what he promised because he couldn't work with a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate, then at best Obama is totally incompetent, isn't he? Republican in Congress were an irrelevancy in terms of legislation his first 2 years.

To claim a candidate cannot change his position would be just claiming everyone is obligated to be pigheaded ignorant unable to change, modify or compromise.

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So economic conditions don't regulate your business decisions, it's soley based on partisan politics?

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Economic conditions are the biggest problem Obama has to re-election. I thought everyone knew that.

Wow! Looks like we've got a few little Soviet Union created inside of American corporations. That said, I realize that inside private companies...they aren't democracies. The same can be said for a lot of institutions. But the CEO's threats are completely silly. He'll find himself bogged down in a **** load of lawsuits if he carry's out such a threat.

Employees inside any given corporation can't control the voting behaviors of a nation. I mean it is beyond ridiculous.

How is this different from Unions going to extreme lengths using fear of employment and everything else to convince members to vote Democrat and even driving them to the polls to vote?

Any problem if companies drove employees to the polls to vote after explaining their lives will be totally ruined unless they vote Republican?

I tired long ago of Democratic rabid hatred of corporations.

I think it unethical for an employer to not tell employees known election outcome effects on them. Not to do is is basically deception and trickery.

Many companies and owners have stated they will take their employees part-time to avoid it - then also avoiding many other benefits costs. Many companies already do that - for which people have to travel between 2 and 3 jobs to make 1 full time income - plus the travel time and expenses between jobs at their own expense.

A woman we know very well told her employees that if Obama is re-elected, ObamaCare will go into full effect. She can not afford any more government add-ons to what she has to pay and regrettably she will take them to all part time employment, doubling the number of employees but none working full time. That is not a bluff-scare. It is what she is going to do.
We also know a couple of senior aged small business owners who said they are going to just shut down and retire (laying everyone off permanently) if Obama is re-elected.

Why do you think employees don't have a right to know the real, direct consequences on them with the outcome of the election?

And it raises a real question too, of why are small business owners so INTENSELY anti-Obama if he is so good for the economy? 100% we know ALL are - and some say they were lifelong Democrats prior. Has the private sector and the Democratic Party always been at total war against each other, or is this some new Obama thing?

joko104 said:

Economic conditions are the biggest problem Obama has to re-election. I thought everyone knew that.

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Well of course that's true. I just think that the idea of "Wait! Romney won, now I can hire people" is silly. If you hope he gets elected and that conditions will improve to where you need to and can add employees, that's one thing. What if he fails too? Then it was a pretty silly thing to go and hire people right away, isn't it.

Removable Mind said:

Wow! Looks like we've got a few little Soviet Union created inside of American corporations. That said, I realize that inside private companies...they aren't democracies. The same can be said for a lot of institutions. But the CEO's threats are completely silly. He'll find himself bogged down in a **** load of lawsuits if he carry's out such a threat.

Employees inside any given corporation can't control the voting behaviors of a nation. I mean it is beyond ridiculous.

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I once heard that working for a big corporation is kind of like living in a Communist country. Tow the party line or get "terminated." If something's not working, nobody wants to hear about it. Everything is somebody else's department.

Having worked in a big corporation, there's something to that.

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Well of course that's true. I just think that the idea of "Wait! Romney won, now I can hire people" is silly. If you hope he gets elected and that conditions will improve to where you need to and can add employees, that's one thing. What if he fails too? Then it was a pretty silly thing to go and hire people right away, isn't it.

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If Romney wins, the ObamaCare incentive to put employees as part-time employees vanishes. That is a very real concern of employers and everytime the government adds new expenses for full time employees, more positions are changed to part time. From Home Depot to grocery stores, restaurants to shipping companies, more and more no longer hire people full time to avoid benefits costs.

By people having to work 3 part time jobs to equal 1 full time job with benefits - adding their driving time and expenses between jobs, they basically work nearly every waking hour of their life.

The other factor is elderly business owners who could retire anytime they want to. They like the extra money of their business and the don't want to lay off employees they had for years. But if it too much a hassle they will, and increasing numbers are. That also means they reduce their spending and do, obviously, all their unemployed employees creating a downward spiral. That downward spiral is extreme around here. Every month driving the strip there are another dozen empty store and shop fronts.

It is not JUST the reality of Obama, his rabid anti-business and anti-wealth speeches create a perception. People do not make decisions on reality. The make decisions on what the perceive reality is.

joko104 said:

If Romney wins, the ObamaCare incentive to put employees as part-time employees vanishes. That is a very real concern of employers and everytime the government adds new expenses for full time employees, more positions are changed to part time. From Home Depot to grocery stores, restaurants to shipping companies, more and more no longer hire people full time to avoid benefits costs.

By people having to work 3 part time jobs to equal 1 full time job with benefits - adding their driving time and expenses between jobs, they basically work nearly every waking hour of their life.

The other factor is elderly business owners who could retire anytime they want to. They like the extra money of their business and the don't want to lay off employees they had for years. But if it too much a hassle they will, and increasing numbers are. That also means they reduce their spending and do, obviously, all their unemployed employees creating a downward spiral. That downward spiral is extreme around here. Every month driving the strip there are another dozen empty store and shop fronts.

It is not JUST the reality of Obama, his rabid anti-business and anti-wealth speeches create a perception. People do not make decisions on reality. The make decisions on what the perceive reality is.

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All of which may be true, but it seems pretty stupid to me to go ahead and bet your business on the election outcome rather than the outcome of the winners policies.

helix2048 said:

A Second CEO Threatens To Fire Employees If Obama Is Re-elected



Is it me, or is this kind of bullying a bunch of BS? I don't think it should be legal for employers to pull this kind of stuff. People have the right to vote for whoever they want.

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What a deceitful thread.

hikari said:

The sky is falling and I didn't know?!?

The CEOs are just being stupid, "oh no, New regulations and I might have to adapt?" Talk about whining, Obama will probably win and give us another lackluster 4 years in which the sky won't fall and we won't be raptured by the glory of the free market either. It amazes me that anyone older than a teenager isn't mature enough to realize all this doom and gloom stuff never pans out.

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Adaptation includes increased costs. Depending on how tight a company may already be, than yes, jobs may be on the line.....

If my employer were planning on shutting down if a certain event happened I would want to know about it. I think an employer (morally) has a responsibility to his/her employees to let them know as soon as possible any plans for layoffs or even potential layoffs. This employer should be applauded for his honesty rather than suddenly laying these people off without notice. He is giving them the opportunity to prepare and plan for their layoffs. I dont understand why some people think that a sudden out of the blue layoff would be better.

Is it me, or is this kind of bullying a bunch of BS? I don't think it should be legal for employers to pull this kind of stuff. People have the right to vote for whoever they want.

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Also can you please quote where anyone told anyone they couldnt vote for anyone they wanted?

Personally it dont matter what an employer says. I have never been locked to a job and aint never gona be. Theres a saying that fits well. " I was looking for work when I found this job, and I am still looking." Employer gots the right to say what they please. As do the employees. I dont consider it to be anything out of the ordinarry, to make these letters. Employer wants to infuence people to think his way. Maybe it works maybe it dont. Either way no biggie.

PirateMk1 said:

Personally it dont matter what an employer says. I have never been locked to a job and aint never gona be. Theres a saying that fits well. " I was looking for work when I found this job, and I am still looking." Employer gots the right to say what they please. As do the employees. I dont consider it to be anything out of the ordinarry, to make these letters. Employer wants to infuence people to think his way. Maybe it works maybe it dont. Either way no biggie.

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The thing is these employers are not "threatening" anyone into doing anything.

They're acknowledging that if Pres. Obama's policies go into effect than they will have to lay people off.

The college mentality adopted by the Democrat party has long passed the point of stupidity. Populist bull**** like "you didn't build that" and "businesses don't create jobs" are great for attracting the poor but at some point reality has to set in. It should be very obvious to everyone by now that corporations are doing just fine without the American worker. The very some companies Pres. Obama wants to see hire more are telling him that his policies are not conducive to hiring.