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Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo Pun

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The woman got what she deserved.The bus driver should be congratulated.

Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo Punch | The Smoking Gun
A Cleveland municipal bus driver has been suspended after video surfaced this week showing him decking a mouthy female rider with a bolo punch.
The confrontation between the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (RTA) worker and the unidentified woman was apparently filmed by another rider. It is unclear from the above clip, however, what triggered the dispute.
[WARNING: The video is peppered with curse words and racial slurs.]
The driver of bus 2802 leaves his seat after the woman appears to strike him. "You going to jail now," the driver says twice before throwing an uppercut that knocks the woman to the ground.
 
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The woman got what she deserved.The bus driver should be congratulated. The driver of bus 2802 leaves his seat after the woman appears to strike him. "You going to jail now," the driver says twice before throwing an uppercut that knocks the woman to the ground.

One couldn't see how/if she hit him. I'll assume she did. But she hit him and moved away. She broke off the assault. He can't do that. She was guilty of assault, if she struck him. He was guilty of assault as well.
 
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One couldn't see how/if she hit him. I'll assume she did. But she hit him and moved away. She broke off the assault. He can't do that. She was guilty of assault, if she struck him. He was guilty of assault as well.

I am not sure that assaulting someone and walking back a few feet counts as breaking off the assault.
 
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The woman got what she deserved.
Maybe so.

The bus driver should be congratulated.
Absolutely not. His inflicted about 100x what she inflicted upon him, 10000x what was necessary to end the dispute, and for no reason other than because he was pissed at her. Despicable, and she is correct that he may very well be going to jail now, too.
 
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His inflicted about 100x what she inflicted upon him,

He is a man so naturally any attempts to defend himself will always be disproportionate.

10000x what was necessary to end the dispute, and for no reason other than because he was pissed at her.

She hit him that is why he hit her.There was only a few seconds between when she hit him and he hit her,so there is no telling how much long she would have went on if he didn't defend himself.
 
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He is a man so naturally any attempts to defend himself will always be disproportionate
You think it's physically impossible for a man to act with equal or less force than a woman? I assure you, it is not, if you have even a modicum of self-control. And watch the video again, there was nothing defensive about this incident.



She hit him that is why he hit her.There was only a few seconds between when she hit him and he hit her,so there is no telling how much long she would have went on if he didn't defend himself.
"She hit me, so I hit her" is a defense for third graders, not grown men (and women). And I counted at least six second, where he slowly pulled himself out of his chair, took several steps toward her, while she just stood there, reeled back and whacked her as hard as he could. Then he grabbed her, by the hair, and threw her headfirst out of the bus, without bothering to close the door behind her. "there is no telling how much long she would have went on"? Seriously? It was over, and he was not in the least bit worried about defending anything except his ego.
 
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He's definitely in the wrong here.

From what I can see she was chirping... He was chirping back (which he shouldn't have been doin, he should have ignored here).

She did probably hit him, he stood up... Had plenty of time, Lined up the shot and took it.

This was not an act of self defense, this was assault and as much as that woman may very well be a horrible person, two wrongs do not make a right Jamesrage.
 
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You think it's physically impossible for a man to act with equal or less force than a woman? I assure you, it is not, if you have even a modicum of self-control. And watch the video again, there was nothing defensive about this incident.



"She hit me, so I hit her" is a defense for third graders, not grown men (and women). And I counted at least six second, where he slowly pulled himself out of his chair, took several steps toward her, while she just stood there, reeled back and whacked her as hard as he could. Then he grabbed her, by the hair, and threw her headfirst out of the bus, without bothering to close the door behind her. "there is no telling how much long she would have went on"? Seriously? It was over, and he was not in the least bit worried about defending anything except his ego.


He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."


So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"
 
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I'd of decked her.
 
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The woman got what she deserved.The bus driver should be congratulated.

Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo Punch | The Smoking Gun
A Cleveland municipal bus driver has been suspended after video surfaced this week showing him decking a mouthy female rider with a bolo punch.
The confrontation between the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (RTA) worker and the unidentified woman was apparently filmed by another rider. It is unclear from the above clip, however, what triggered the dispute.
[WARNING: The video is peppered with curse words and racial slurs.]
The driver of bus 2802 leaves his seat after the woman appears to strike him. "You going to jail now," the driver says twice before throwing an uppercut that knocks the woman to the ground.

You realize the thread says he "decked her with a Bolo Pun", right? :lamo

I was trying to figure out how a pun could knock someone down... perhaps it was something like the Ultimate Joke?




I'm still trying to figure out what a "Bolo Punch" is... only bolos I know about are either a rock-and-string thingy you throw to capture an animal, a bad necktie, or a SE Asian machete. :lamo
 
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He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."


So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"
I honestly don't care that she is a woman. If anything, that makes me respect her less, because she, probably knowingly, took advantage of that fact in abusing this driver. Little did she know he apparently cares even less than I.

The rules are very simple. If you are under attack, you get to defend yourself. But you only get to use the minimum degree of force necessary to end the encounter. You don't get to punish the person for hitting you, or even the playing field. If you do, you are responsible for the consequences. It is by these rules that we aim to prevent the endless escalation of violence between two people, leading inevitably to serious injury as more and more people involve themselves using greater and greater force.
 
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He is a man so naturally any attempts to defend himself will always be disproportionate.

If a woman slaps a man across the face, he can't break her jaw. Disproportionate force makes self-defense a crime.
 
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He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."

So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"

Do I remember you're a retired LEO? If that's the case, I am amazed and disappointed with your answer. You know that isn't right. It may be macho, but it isn't right. And it isn't legal.
 
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I have a real problem with the bus driver's actions. The way he hit her could have cut off her tongue and shattered her teeth. Then immediately throwing her down out onto the concrete with her not even possibly in mental control immediately after poised real life threatening and permanent damage. That the girl slapped him prior to this doesn't justify his extreme level of violence, and from what I heard the driver was hurling as many insults at her and her at him.

Although rare, in the past a woman might slap me in some rage - such woman oft being drunk or high and it not personal. I would take physical control of her in a constraining way if necessary and - even far more rare - might slap her back BUT cautiously/lightly deliberately not be in a harmful way but rather only an attention getter that she doesn't want to escalate further ... but I never, ever would beat her. I do not think a young woman slapping a big man justifies the man beating the hell out of her.

She poised no physical threat to him. Nor was in punch in immediate response to her slap. Then throwing her out onto likely concrete him in a rage.

Fire him. Sue him. Prosecute him.
 
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Do I remember you're a retired LEO? If that's the case, I am amazed and disappointed with your answer. You know that isn't right. It may be macho, but it isn't right. And it isn't legal.



Well, color me a little irritated at how often some woman initiates violence, hits a man, then when she gets punched back she runs crying to the law "He's not supposed to hit me I'm a GIRL!!"

**** that bull****.

As for her backing off, yeah she backed off when she realized (GASP!) he was about to hit her back!

Yeah, technically illegal... but it shouldn't be. Someone should not get to hit you, then get a free pass just because they tried to back off when they saw you were going to hit them in return.
 
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He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."


So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"

You're conflating two separate issues. Was it unwise for this women to hit this man? Yes. Was it wrong for him to uppercut her in retaliation? Yes.
 
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If she hit the bus driver and he was not in danger he should have done nothing and reported her for assault. If she began fighting to the point that real bodily harm may result then it would be fine to deck her. They both acted wrongly.
 
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Well, color me a little irritated at how often some woman initiates violence, hits a man, then when she gets punched back she runs crying to the law "He's not supposed to hit me I'm a GIRL!!"

**** that bull****.

Yes, the behavior by the woman was unexcusable. But that doesn't justify breaking her jaw. As others have already pointed out, this argument is based on a elementary school moral fallacy: two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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Yes, the behavior by the woman was unexcusable. But that doesn't justify breaking her jaw. As others have already pointed out, this argument is based on a elementary school moral fallacy: two wrongs don't make a right.


It isn't a fallacy. When someone starts **** with you, and then escalates it by hitting you, you have every right to retaliate in kind. She was still standing there within easy distance to resume her assault, still running her mouth, still with a major attitude problem, still a potential threat.

The foul mouthed hateful bitch got what she deserved. Hopefully she learned something from it, but I doubt that since she's obviously a ****ing idiot.


The law needs to be changed to "don't start **** you can't finish, dumbass."
 
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You think it's physically impossible for a man to act with equal or less force than a woman? I assure you, it is not, if you have even a modicum of self-control. And watch the video again, there was nothing defensive about this incident.

If someone is assaulting you you are under no obligation to use the same amount of force they are using.This is why can use lethal force to defend yourself if someone is assaulting you, why a woman can use lethal force to fend off an attempted rapist, a homeowner can shoot a burglar and so on.This he can't use disproportionate force to defend himself is a load of crap.


"She hit me, so I hit her" is a defense for third graders, not grown men (and women). And I counted at least six second, where he slowly pulled himself out of his chair, took several steps toward her, while she just stood there, reeled back and whacked her as hard as he could. Then he grabbed her, by the hair, and threw her headfirst out of the bus, without bothering to close the door behind her. "there is no telling how much long she would have went on"? Seriously? It was over, and he was not in the least bit worried about defending anything except his ego.

You have no idea if the fight was over.Stepping back a few feet does not constitute a withdrawal from a fight
 
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If a woman slaps a man across the face, he can't break her jaw. Disproportionate force makes self-defense a crime.

A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.
 
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It isn't a fallacy. When someone starts **** with you, and then escalates it by hitting you, you have every right to retaliate in kind. She was still standing there within easy distance to resume her assault, still running her mouth, still with a major attitude problem, still a potential threat.

Oh stop it. No she was not still a potential threat. She backed away out of striking distance. That's why the bus driver had to get up and advance forward to hit her. The appropriate response by the bus driver would have been to stand up and adopt a stance so as to be able to defend himself if she continued her assault. If he had done that - and then she had proceeded to try to strike him again, then yes it would have been self defense. But that's not what happened. He wasn't defending himself from imminent bodily harm. He was frustrated and angry, his emotions got the best of him and he lashed out in an act of retaliation not an act of self defense. It's amazing some adults here seem to lack the capacity to differentiate the two, which seems so obvious to me.
 
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A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.

That's self defense.

What would you think about this situation if the bus driver hadn't stopped at one punch. What if he had proceeded to literally beat this woman to death? Would that be ok?
 
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A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.

Now that's completely different, James. You know that. The video clearly shows that, if she did slap him, she immediately moved away and disengaged. Could he pull out a gun and shoot her? Could he punch her three times in the stomach? Could he punch her with a roundhouse to the face, take her by the hair and physically throw her from the bus?? I say no. If you think he can, you'd better carry some phone numbers with you for bond requests. ;)

I think this is one of those times when the poster ought to admit he didn't think it through and admit that the bus driver over-reacted after the woman moved away, and assaulted the woman rather than acted in self-defense. But, hey. That's just me. ;)

I'm thinking James is young and he's sorting things out. It's Goshin that amazes me.
 
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But, hey. That's just me. ;)

No, it's not just you Maggie. You're right. Goshin and jamesrage are advocating beating a woman to "teach her a lesson" and trying to justify it by painting it as a self-defense issue, which it's clearly not. I'm sure most third graders could tell the difference between self defense and what this bus driver did.
 
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