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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Meh. I don't care about gender, self-defense issues or disproportionate use of force. This guy made his employers look bad by assaulting a passenger. I don't care if the other person started it. He acted in an unprofessional manner. He deserves his suspension. Heck, he deserves to be fired.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It isn't a fallacy. When someone starts **** with you, and then escalates it by hitting you, you have every right to retaliate in kind. She was still standing there within easy distance to resume her assault, still running her mouth, still with a major attitude problem, still a potential threat.

    The foul mouthed hateful bitch got what she deserved. Hopefully she learned something from it, but I doubt that since she's obviously a ****ing idiot.


    The law needs to be changed to "don't start **** you can't finish, dumbass."
    While I agree with the "principle" you state, it has to be also within the context of reality too. It seems you are trying to make raw principles apply beyond what they should. While her slapping him was an "assault," it also was not her trying to hurt him. He most definitely did want to hurt her.

    There are aspects of it I don't know. What had he said before she slapped him? I think there are things a man can saw for which it is entirely reasonable for the woman to slap the man. And I don't think the man gets to beat the crap out of her doing so. If he wants to slap her back? Slap her back.

    A slap, in my opinion, is one of those quasi-violent acts - unless a full force knockdown hit. I don't think a woman slapping a man justifies the man thinking about it a couple seconds, and then upper cutting the woman cutting off her tongue and shattering her teeth, and then picking her up and throwing her down metal stairs onto concrete. It'd be different if she had jabbed her fingernails into his eyes or was pepper spraying him. But a slap?

    What if that was a video of a couple? The bus driver the husband. Wife rages and slaps him. He upper cuts her a a couple seconds later and throws her down the stairs onto the concrete? You say "that's ok, she started it?"

    You are a cop arriving at a domestic scene and blood is pouring out of the woman's mouth, her teeth shattered and end of tongue on the ground, her arm broken and her back broken her apparently broken from him throwing her down a staircase and then down onto concrete - and the man twice her size explains to you "that's what that mouth bitch deserved for slapping me!" As a cop you'd say, "that's true, you're right, if she slapped you then she had it coming." ?

    And if she had been killed in hitting the concrete, that's what she gets for slapping a man?

    When I saw that I thought what if that young woman had been my wife or daughter? He'd have to go in hiding for the rest of his life. Same if some man had done that to one of the dancers who slapped him in my club years. The management would have him hunted down and beat within an inch of his life.

    You don't beat the hell out a woman for slapping you. Call me a sexist or not, men just don't do that particularly to women half their size.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    This is not okay. The only time i can see as hitting a woman being ok if she is threatening your life or someones you love life. I dont support this action this is not ok in my book.


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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do I remember you're a retired LEO? If that's the case, I am amazed and disappointed with your answer. You know that isn't right. It may be macho, but it isn't right. And it isn't legal.
    But it was amazingly satisfying. And maybe that is enough.

    I was on a bus with two large Hawaiian. They were loud, obnoxious, and trying very hard to fight with one another. The people on the bus tried to move as far away as they could. I stood up, and yelled as loud as I could, "Sit down and shut up." They did.

    At the next stop they got off the bus to continue their foolishness in the street. People like that deserve to take a beating.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now that's completely different, James. You know that. The video clearly shows that, if she did slap him, she immediately moved away and disengaged. Could he pull out a gun and shoot her? Could he punch her three times in the stomach? Could he punch her with a roundhouse to the face, take her by the hair and physically throw her from the bus?? I say no. If you think he can, you'd better carry some phone numbers with you for bond requests.

    I think this is one of those times when the poster ought to admit he didn't think it through and admit that the bus driver over-reacted after the woman moved away, and assaulted the woman rather than acted in self-defense. But, hey. That's just me.

    I'm thinking James is young and he's sorting things out. It's Goshin that amazes me.


    Sorry about that. I hadn't had my supper yet and my inner Chaosian was raising hell. I'm a bit calmer now that I am outside a nice quantity of shrimp and crab souffle.

    Legally, yes, if someone initiates a fight and then makes an obvious and clear attempt to withdraw and end the conflict, you are not legally allowed to follow them and resume it at that point.

    Item one, I don't particularly like that law, as it allows some chicken**** to hit you and then run away, safe from harm.

    Item two, I am not sure whether she fulfilled the legal requirements of "attempting to retreat". She withdrew only a few steps... she did not leave the bus. She remained close enough to instantly renew her assault and battery of the driver if she so pleased. She continued to behave in a hostile manner, running her mouth and exhibiting a hostile attiude moments after striking the driver. It is quite debateable whether a court will agree that her actions constitute "a clear attempt to retreat and withdraw from the conflict" or not.

    Now, yes the smart thing for the driver to do would have been to step out of the bus and call the police, have her arrested and banned from the bus. The uppercut was legally questionable to be sure. However, most of my sympathies lie with the bus driver. He was being harassed and attacked, and he was pissed off and not in a cool and calculating emotional state (like those who are sharply criticising his actions, armchair quarterback style, here are). The girl who struck him did not come across as some nice girl who'd lost her temper... she comes across as a big-mouthed THUG with a huge attitude and a belief that she can say and do whatever she wants without fear of consequences. If she were a man who'd acted in that manner, I think a LOT of the posters in this thread would be singing a very different tune.

    As it is, I've seen enough aggressive and violent behavor out of some women that my once-gentle regard for the "fairer sex" has largely eroded, and I tend to agree with what the bus driver said: "she wants to act like a man, she can take it like a man". That feminine-privilege pool has been peed in too often; too many women have used the excuse of their gender as an excuse to assault a man and think they'll get away with it. I'm done with that stuff.

    If it was a guy, I'd say "the bus driver could have been smarter, but the jerk deserved it." Well since we have sexual equality these days, I'm giving the girl the benefit of the same opinion.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry about that. I hadn't had my supper yet and my inner Chaosian was raising hell. I'm a bit calmer now that I am outside a nice quantity of shrimp and crab souffle.

    Legally, yes, if someone initiates a fight and then makes an obvious and clear attempt to withdraw and end the conflict, you are not legally allowed to follow them and resume it at that point.

    Item one, I don't particularly like that law, as it allows some chicken**** to hit you and then run away, safe from harm.

    Item two, I am not sure whether she fulfilled the legal requirements of "attempting to retreat". She withdrew only a few steps... she did not leave the bus. She remained close enough to instantly renew her assault and battery of the driver if she so pleased. She continued to behave in a hostile manner, running her mouth and exhibiting a hostile attiude moments after striking the driver. It is quite debateable whether a court will agree that her actions constitute "a clear attempt to retreat and withdraw from the conflict" or not.

    Now, yes the smart thing for the driver to do would have been to step out of the bus and call the police, have her arrested and banned from the bus. The uppercut was legally questionable to be sure. However, most of my sympathies lie with the bus driver. He was being harassed and attacked, and he was pissed off and not in a cool and calculating emotional state (like those who are sharply criticising his actions, armchair quarterback style, here are). The girl who struck him did not come across as some nice girl who'd lost her temper... she comes across as a big-mouthed THUG with a huge attitude and a belief that she can say and do whatever she wants without fear of consequences. If she were a man who'd acted in that manner, I think a LOT of the posters in this thread would be singing a very different tune.

    As it is, I've seen enough aggressive and violent behavor out of some women that my once-gentle regard for the "fairer sex" has largely eroded, and I tend to agree with what the bus driver said: "she wants to act like a man, she can take it like a man". That feminine-privilege pool has been peed in too often; too many women have used the excuse of their gender as an excuse to assault a man and think they'll get away with it. I'm done with that stuff.

    If it was a guy, I'd say "the bus driver could have been smarter, but the jerk deserved it." Well since we have sexual equality these days, I'm giving the girl the benefit of the same opinion.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
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    There are aspects of it I don't know. What had he said before she slapped him? I think there are things a man can saw for which it is entirely reasonable for the woman to slap the man. And I don't think the man gets to beat the crap out of her doing so. If he wants to slap her back? Slap her back.
    No sir, that day has passed. A man cannot slap a woman for something she said, so a woman cannot slap a man for something he says. Sexual equality before the law. The days of Bogart saying "If a dame wants to slap you, you'll take it and like it!" have passed; that ship has sailed.

    And it well should have... there are more and more women these days who are not remotely "ladies" in any sense of the term, who are as aggressive and foul-mouthed as any thug, and violent on top of it, and it is past time they stopped thinking they can slap a man and get away with it. The privilege has been abused too often.




    You don't beat the hell out a woman for slapping you. Call me a sexist or not, men just don't do that particularly to women half their size.

    Do we know it was a slap? From the video I could not tell, someone was in the way of the camera.

    Under the law, a threat of harm is assault; striking someone or engaging in unwanted rough contact of any kind is battery.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what a Brutal Bolo Pun is.


    Does it involve Polo Ponies?

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what a Brutal Bolo Pun is.


    Does it involve Polo Ponies?
    The "ch" as in punch didn't fit in the thread title:

    A bolo punch is a flashy wide sweeping uppercut that is more about showboating than power. The bolo punch might not even be thrown at all but rather used to distract the opponent so you can hit them with your other hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No sir, that day has passed. A man cannot slap a woman for something she said, so a woman cannot slap a man for something he says. Sexual equality before the law. The days of Bogart saying "If a dame wants to slap you, you'll take it and like it!" have passed; that ship has sailed.

    And it well should have... there are more and more women these days who are not remotely "ladies" in any sense of the term, who are as aggressive and foul-mouthed as any thug, and violent on top of it, and it is past time they stopped thinking they can slap a man and get away with it. The privilege has been abused too often.


    Do we know it was a slap? From the video I could not tell, someone was in the way of the camera.

    Under the law, a threat of harm is assault; striking someone or engaging in unwanted rough contact of any kind is battery.
    One of Tom's regular passengers is on parole. His "girlfriend" (in quotes because I use the term ever-so-loosely) regularly punches and slaps him trying to get him to swing at her so he'll go back to jail. Personally? I think the guy's nuts. But. Some guys just want a warm place to put it, yes?
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The "ch" as in punch didn't fit in the thread title:

    Hm. I've fought in boxing and kickboxing matches, in the street and in bar brawls and worse, and that's a new one on me.


    Then again, I'm gettin' kinda old too.....

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