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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If a woman slaps a man across the face, he can't break her jaw. Disproportionate force makes self-defense a crime.
    A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It isn't a fallacy. When someone starts **** with you, and then escalates it by hitting you, you have every right to retaliate in kind. She was still standing there within easy distance to resume her assault, still running her mouth, still with a major attitude problem, still a potential threat.
    Oh stop it. No she was not still a potential threat. She backed away out of striking distance. That's why the bus driver had to get up and advance forward to hit her. The appropriate response by the bus driver would have been to stand up and adopt a stance so as to be able to defend himself if she continued her assault. If he had done that - and then she had proceeded to try to strike him again, then yes it would have been self defense. But that's not what happened. He wasn't defending himself from imminent bodily harm. He was frustrated and angry, his emotions got the best of him and he lashed out in an act of retaliation not an act of self defense. It's amazing some adults here seem to lack the capacity to differentiate the two, which seems so obvious to me.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.
    That's self defense.

    What would you think about this situation if the bus driver hadn't stopped at one punch. What if he had proceeded to literally beat this woman to death? Would that be ok?

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A man is trying to rape a woman she can't shoot or stab him to get him off of her? Disproportionate force does not makes self-defense a crime.
    Now that's completely different, James. You know that. The video clearly shows that, if she did slap him, she immediately moved away and disengaged. Could he pull out a gun and shoot her? Could he punch her three times in the stomach? Could he punch her with a roundhouse to the face, take her by the hair and physically throw her from the bus?? I say no. If you think he can, you'd better carry some phone numbers with you for bond requests.

    I think this is one of those times when the poster ought to admit he didn't think it through and admit that the bus driver over-reacted after the woman moved away, and assaulted the woman rather than acted in self-defense. But, hey. That's just me.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    But, hey. That's just me.
    No, it's not just you Maggie. You're right. Goshin and jamesrage are advocating beating a woman to "teach her a lesson" and trying to justify it by painting it as a self-defense issue, which it's clearly not. I'm sure most third graders could tell the difference between self defense and what this bus driver did.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    personally...never not ever. But...a few things.

    1-In the era of equal rights, how is 'but she is a woman...' even a consideration to society at large?
    2-Gone unnoticed is, she took his best punch like a champ and was right back on her feet.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    personally...never not ever. But...a few things.

    1-In the era of equal rights, how is 'but she is a woman...' even a consideration to society at large?
    2-Gone unnoticed is, she took his best punch like a champ and was right back on her feet.
    I didn't post anything about her being a woman. I think it's immaterial in this particular case. She may have been right back on her feet, but then he grabbed her by the hair and threw her off the bus. What the hell is wrong with you guys? This is machismo thing with you three, I think: "No woman's gunna' hit ME and get away with it."
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I didn't post anything about her being a woman. I think it's immaterial in this particular case. She may have been right back on her feet, but then he grabbed her by the hair and threw her off the bus. What the hell is wrong with you guys? This is machismo thing with you three, I think: "No woman's gunna' hit ME and get away with it."
    You missed the first line apparently. I dont think its right and I would personally never hit a woman. i think there is more honor in getting your ass kicked by a woman than striking back...but thats me. That wasnt the point. The point was that 1-seriously...what exactly does 'equality' mean...why is the womans gender an issue and 2-jokingly...girls got a jaw like Iron Mike.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You missed the first line apparently. I dont think its right and I would personally never hit a woman. i think there is more honor in getting your ass kicked by a woman than striking back...but thats me. That wasnt the point. The point was that 1-seriously...what exactly does 'equality' mean...why is the womans gender an issue and 2-jokingly...girls got a jaw like Iron Mike.
    I did miss the first line. Glad you pointed that out.

    One of my best friends had a husband who used to "chest bump" her all over the house, hands behind his back. Somehow he thought that was okay. Until he chest-bumped her backwards into a coffee table that broke and cut her up pretty bad. She divorced him. He's a mental case. She's a successful professional. He's homeless. Karma.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    The woman was a loud mouth idiot. The driver should have stopped the bus, called the police, and she would have spent the night in jail and had to face criminal charges. The bus folks would have banned her for life (at least they do that around here when assaulting a bus driver).

    But he (the driver) chose to go his own way. It may have given him (and some of the rest of us) some momentary satisfaction, but he lost the option to be the victim. Now, she'll probably be excused her moron behavior and get a nice check to boot. The driver will probably lose his job at minimum.

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