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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

    Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."


    So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

    I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"
    I honestly don't care that she is a woman. If anything, that makes me respect her less, because she, probably knowingly, took advantage of that fact in abusing this driver. Little did she know he apparently cares even less than I.

    The rules are very simple. If you are under attack, you get to defend yourself. But you only get to use the minimum degree of force necessary to end the encounter. You don't get to punish the person for hitting you, or even the playing field. If you do, you are responsible for the consequences. It is by these rules that we aim to prevent the endless escalation of violence between two people, leading inevitably to serious injury as more and more people involve themselves using greater and greater force.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He is a man so naturally any attempts to defend himself will always be disproportionate.
    If a woman slaps a man across the face, he can't break her jaw. Disproportionate force makes self-defense a crime.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

    Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."

    So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

    I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"
    Do I remember you're a retired LEO? If that's the case, I am amazed and disappointed with your answer. You know that isn't right. It may be macho, but it isn't right. And it isn't legal.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    I have a real problem with the bus driver's actions. The way he hit her could have cut off her tongue and shattered her teeth. Then immediately throwing her down out onto the concrete with her not even possibly in mental control immediately after poised real life threatening and permanent damage. That the girl slapped him prior to this doesn't justify his extreme level of violence, and from what I heard the driver was hurling as many insults at her and her at him.

    Although rare, in the past a woman might slap me in some rage - such woman oft being drunk or high and it not personal. I would take physical control of her in a constraining way if necessary and - even far more rare - might slap her back BUT cautiously/lightly deliberately not be in a harmful way but rather only an attention getter that she doesn't want to escalate further ... but I never, ever would beat her. I do not think a young woman slapping a big man justifies the man beating the hell out of her.

    She poised no physical threat to him. Nor was in punch in immediate response to her slap. Then throwing her out onto likely concrete him in a rage.

    Fire him. Sue him. Prosecute him.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do I remember you're a retired LEO? If that's the case, I am amazed and disappointed with your answer. You know that isn't right. It may be macho, but it isn't right. And it isn't legal.


    Well, color me a little irritated at how often some woman initiates violence, hits a man, then when she gets punched back she runs crying to the law "He's not supposed to hit me I'm a GIRL!!"

    **** that bull****.

    As for her backing off, yeah she backed off when she realized (GASP!) he was about to hit her back!

    Yeah, technically illegal... but it shouldn't be. Someone should not get to hit you, then get a free pass just because they tried to back off when they saw you were going to hit them in return.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He should have beaten her some more. Preferably the same number of punches as the times she hit him... as hard as he could.

    Then, if she lived, she'd have learned a valuable lesson: "Don't start a fight with someone who can break you in half, dumbass."


    So she was a woman, BFD. She assaulted someone, she should have expected retaliation. Studies show 1/3rd of all domestic violence is begun by the female, btw.

    I keep seeing bumper stickers saying "Real men don't hit women." In the sense of real men don't beat a woman for burning the potroast, I agree. But I always feel this strange urge to take a paintbrush and add underneath it: "and SMART WOMEN don't hit men!"
    You're conflating two separate issues. Was it unwise for this women to hit this man? Yes. Was it wrong for him to uppercut her in retaliation? Yes.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    If she hit the bus driver and he was not in danger he should have done nothing and reported her for assault. If she began fighting to the point that real bodily harm may result then it would be fine to deck her. They both acted wrongly.
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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, color me a little irritated at how often some woman initiates violence, hits a man, then when she gets punched back she runs crying to the law "He's not supposed to hit me I'm a GIRL!!"

    **** that bull****.
    Yes, the behavior by the woman was unexcusable. But that doesn't justify breaking her jaw. As others have already pointed out, this argument is based on a elementary school moral fallacy: two wrongs don't make a right.

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Yes, the behavior by the woman was unexcusable. But that doesn't justify breaking her jaw. As others have already pointed out, this argument is based on a elementary school moral fallacy: two wrongs don't make a right.

    It isn't a fallacy. When someone starts **** with you, and then escalates it by hitting you, you have every right to retaliate in kind. She was still standing there within easy distance to resume her assault, still running her mouth, still with a major attitude problem, still a potential threat.

    The foul mouthed hateful bitch got what she deserved. Hopefully she learned something from it, but I doubt that since she's obviously a ****ing idiot.


    The law needs to be changed to "don't start **** you can't finish, dumbass."

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    Re: Cleveland Bus Driver Suspended After Decking Unruly Female Rider With Brutal Bolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    You think it's physically impossible for a man to act with equal or less force than a woman? I assure you, it is not, if you have even a modicum of self-control. And watch the video again, there was nothing defensive about this incident.
    If someone is assaulting you you are under no obligation to use the same amount of force they are using.This is why can use lethal force to defend yourself if someone is assaulting you, why a woman can use lethal force to fend off an attempted rapist, a homeowner can shoot a burglar and so on.This he can't use disproportionate force to defend himself is a load of crap.


    "She hit me, so I hit her" is a defense for third graders, not grown men (and women). And I counted at least six second, where he slowly pulled himself out of his chair, took several steps toward her, while she just stood there, reeled back and whacked her as hard as he could. Then he grabbed her, by the hair, and threw her headfirst out of the bus, without bothering to close the door behind her. "there is no telling how much long she would have went on"? Seriously? It was over, and he was not in the least bit worried about defending anything except his ego.
    You have no idea if the fight was over.Stepping back a few feet does not constitute a withdrawal from a fight
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