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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

FluffyNinja said:
This girl committed no crime......she was the victim. Your example is meaningless as we're not really talking about a court of law, are we? We're not talking about "legal" responsibility.......we're talking about "personal" responsibility, are we not?
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You made a patently false statement. It was shown to be false. Admit your error and drive on.

The truth is it doesn't matter as to which setting.

Kids are, and can be, held solely responsible for their actions.
 
Excon said:
Not saying you are, but I think many are confusing her being responsible for her actions, as passing judgement on her.
The two are exclusive.
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If an adult predator were able to lure a child into the woods and kill them, would you blame the child?

Obviously not.

I can understand that some people have trouble grasping just how immediate, intense, global and overwhelming the internet can be to a child, but this is ignorance. Your inability to grasp that neither this child nor her parents were in control is just that -- ignorance.

Any adult who seeks children on the net and then abuses that child to suicide is a murderer, plain as if they had shot that kid to death. The law needs to adapt to modern technology and treat the internet as the weapon it can be.

 
X Factor said:
Talking about "flashing her tits" is judging her, even suggesting she kinda deserved what she had happen to her. Let's not start trying to pretend you have any sense of compassion.
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I do not know Excon and am certainly not defending his remarks....but....it isn't uncommon for an adult to have difficulty intuiting just how the internet can and does impact a child. And even when we all agree "something must be done", it is not easy to craft laws that criminalize the behavior we abhore but leave our freedom of speech intact.
 
ChrisL said:
Really? Maybe we should have a poll question about that. You and a couple of others here are either cold-hearted snakes, or you have some kind of issues. You're behavior here on this thread is completely antisocial IMO.
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You are funny.
My participation is now anti-social. You are hilarious.
Saying she is responsible for her own actions is now anti-social? You are absolutely hilarious.

Wrong! But still hilarious.
 
FluffyNinja said:
This is your claim by default. You said we are responsible for our own actions "no matter our age".
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That is what I said, yes.

By making this claim, you are directly implying that NO ONE else is responsible for said action.....even if the action was performed by a child. A child's "social" actions are most often a direct result of the level socialization which the child as attained. If NO ONE else should be held responsible for the child's actions, then we must preclude that NO ONE else should be held accountable for their socialization or "up-bringing" either.
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She might have very well been failed to some degree, but in the end what she did with her life she is solely held responsible for.
 
Excon said:
Not saying you are, but I think many are confusing her being responsible for her actions, as passing judgement on her.
The two are exclusive.
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You are wrong. Claiming she is solely responsible is the same as passing blame on her, Blaming someone for an action is the same as judging them guilty of said action.

If you claim that someone is "solely responsible" for committing a murder.....are you not blaming them for the murder and thereby "passing judgement"?

Your argument here is simply ripe with flawed logic. :roll:
 
Excon said:
You made a patently false statement. It was shown to be false. Admit your error and drive on.

The truth is it doesn't matter as to which setting.

Kids are, and can be, held solely responsible for their actions.
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That DOESN'T make it right. I do NOT believe that children should EVER be charged as adults. It is a FACT that their brains are still developing and they are not capable of certain things, like empathy (which is ONE reason why bullying occurs most of the time between children), critical-thinking, realizing that life extends beyond high school and their group of friends, etc., etc., etc. For you to hold this CHILD responsible shows that you may also lack critical-thinking skills.
 
Excon said:
You are funny.
My participation is now anti-social. You are hilarious.
Saying she is responsible for her own actions is now anti-social? You are absolutely hilarious.

Wrong! But still hilarious.
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It is your lack of tact and adult-like behavior that leads me to my conclusions.
 
X Factor said:
Talking about "flashing her tits" is judging her, even suggesting she kinda deserved what she had happen to her. Let's not start trying to pretend you have any sense of compassion.
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Where again? And what exactly did I say?

Until then, is she not responsible for flashing her tits? Of course she is.
That is not judging her. Saying that she is a dirt-bag for doing so, would be.
But I haven't said anything like that, have I?
 
Excon said:
Where again? And what exactly did I say?

Until then, is she not responsible for flashing her tits? Of course she is.
That is not judging her. Saying that she is a dirt-bag for doing so, would be.
But I haven't said anything like that, have I?
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Well that's it for me, I am through trying to reach this person.
 
Pinkie said:
I do not know Excon and am certainly not defending his remarks....but....it isn't uncommon for an adult to have difficulty intuiting just how the internet can and does impact a child. And even when we all agree "something must be done", it is not easy to craft laws that criminalize the behavior we abhore but leave our freedom of speech intact.
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It's simple - call out the bullies.

Post their names and all the information you can find on public chat forums like twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc..

You think a perverted grown man is going to want the world to know that he asked a young teenager to flash for him online?

Don't do anything illegal - just bring these cockroaches out into the light for all to see.


The same with bullies at school.

Get a friend to film them doing their bullying to others and post the video along with their names.

And if the vid is bad enough it may go viral (like those kds that verbally abused that woman on the bus a few months back).

These bullying losers count on the fact that their victims will keep their mouths shut.

End this security and they will lessen their bullying actions - guaranteed.
 
Pinkie said:


The rat bastards who use the internet to deliberately lead a child to suicide for their own amusement need to be doing time for murder, IMO.
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So you are saying leading someone to kill themselves should not only be crime, but it should be treated as equal to pulling the trigger yourself? :crazy3:
 
Henrin said:
That is what I said, yes.



She might have very well been failed to some degree, but in the end what she did with her life she is solely held responsible for.
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No, the child is not responsible, Henrin. The internet creates a potential for a level of brain washing on a vulnerable person that almost no drug we have invented can achieve -- and with kids, it is pretty common that their friends and classmates know all about whatever interaction is burning a hole in their life.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You are wrong. Claiming she is solely responsible is the same as passing blame on her, Blaming someone for an action is the same as judging them guilty of said action.

If you claim that someone is "solely responsible" for committing a murder.....are you not blaming them for the murder and thereby "passing judgement"?

Your argument here is simply ripe with flawed logic. :roll:
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No!
You know damn well that there is a difference.

She is responsible. That is not judging her in that sense.
Calling her a dirt-bag for doing so, would be.
Stop trying to twist to make things fit what you want them to.
 
Excon said:
Where again? And what exactly did I say?
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Try to keep up. The post you responded to was my reply to someone who made a comment about her flashing her tits. Doesn't really matter to me if it was you or not. To me you all sound just the same

Until then, is she not responsible for flashing her tits? Of course she is.
That is not judging her. Saying that she is a dirt-bag for doing so, would be.
But I haven't said anything like that, have I?
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You have posted nothing that would lead me do believe that you understand compassion or even simple decency. /shrug
 
ChrisL said:
That DOESN'T make it right.
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Until changed, it does make it right.


ChrisL said:
I do NOT believe that children should EVER be charged as adults.
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Your belief? :doh
Then get active and have the laws changed so no child could ever be held responsible for anything.
Until then, your opinion is just that, an opinion.
 
Excon said:
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No!
You know damn well that there is a difference.

She is responsible. That is not judging her in that sense.
Calling her a dirt-bag for doing so, would be.
Stop trying to twist to make things fit what you want them to.
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If you are going to use a word......don't use it so flippantly. It would be wise for you to know all of its connotations prior to posting. To do so is one of the signs of a seasoned debator...............and this obviously rules you out. ::lol:
 
DA60 said:
It's simple - call out the bullies.

Post their names and all the information you can find on public chat forums like twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc..

You think a perverted grown man is going to want the world to know that he asked a young teenager to flash for him online?

Don't do anything illegal - just bring these cockroaches out into the light for all to see.
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I've thought about this, but I really think this is criminal activity that our cops and prosecutors need to address.

Do you happen to know the Megan Meier case?

Megan was 12 when she went online (in her room) and joined MySpace, against her parents' instructions. There, she was befriended by what she believed was a 16 year old boy. For a few months, he romanced her, then suddenly, he rejected her and told she was a horrible person -- at great length.

Megan was 13 when she suicided.

After she died, her parents discovered the 16 year old boy was a hoax, and the real person behind the profile was their 43 year old neighbor, Lori Drew. Drew knew Megan not only as a neighbor but as her own 13 year old daughter's playmate -- and she knew Megan had been under a psychiatrist's care for serious depression for years. Drew evidentially was angry because she suspected Megan was no longer as interested in her child's friendship as she had once been.

When these facts emerged, the federal DA tried Drew and got a conviction under a computer fraud law, but this conviction was overturned on appeal.

As we sit here today, Drew's conduct remains perfectly legal, but a bill that would criminalize it is pending in Congress.

Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

I'd urge everyone reading this to contact their lawmakers and ask them to pass that bill.
 
Henrin said:
So you are saying leading someone to kill themselves should not only be crime, but it should be treated as equal to pulling the trigger yourself? :crazy3:
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Yes, on the right facts that's exactly what I am saying.
 
X Factor said:
Try to keep up. The post you responded to was my reply to someone who made a comment about her flashing her tits. Doesn't really matter to me if it was you or not. To me you all sound just the same
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Because of what was said and to what the comment was directed, it is obviously you who need to keep up with who you direct your comments to, not I.
Sorry you were wrong dude, but you will get over it.



X Factor said:
You have posted nothing that would lead me do believe that you understand compassion or even simple decency.
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Nor do I need to.
Because it has no bearing on whether or not she is responsible for her actions as she is.
 
FluffyNinja said:
If you are going to use a word......don't use it so flippantly. It would be wise for you to know all of its connotations prior to posting. To do so is one of the signs of a seasoned debator...............and this obviously rules you out. ::lol:
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Yes... right...
Ok... What ever... Master debator.

You knew how it was used, and there was nothing wrong with it.

But since you have moved on to personal criticism, I know, and am confident, in where I stand. iLOL
 
Excon said:
Because of what was said and to what the comment was directed, it is obviously you who need to keep up with who you direct your comments to, not I.
Sorry you were wrong dude, but you will get over it.

Nor do I need to.
Because it has no bearing on whether or not she is responsible for her actions as she is.
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Are you responsible for your actions when you are under the influence of a drug you did not consent to consume?

No?

Then neither is that child. You can disagree with me that the net is as powerful on a child's mind as a drug could be on you, and eventually, I believe I could persuade you. But first you need to admit that a person is not responsible for their acts unless that person is also in command of their will and their mind.

 
Excon said:
I would say you are wrong.
Secondly; Bullying/teasing is part of human nature.
The defective ones, are the ones who take their own life over it.
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Should bullying be punished?
 
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