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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not enough.

    Giving would-be bullies something to truly fear... is.
    So being a bigger bully is the answer? I'd have to disagree with that.....a lot.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So being a bigger bully is the answer? I'd have to disagree with that.....a lot.
    Illogical. Punishing bullies through government-enforced laws isn't "bullying." It's like saying cops and soldiers are bullies, too.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ok. You caught me. That was exactly what I wanted to say. Nothing for the bullies. Nothing at all. I guess you missed 2 paragraphs but whatever. I won't push for this topic with you beyond this final comment.

    I will cease this discussion with you because I doubt I can convince you of the way I see things and you have no chance of convincing me because you are inviting the government to once again become MORE and MORE part of your life, or your family's life... or the life of private individuals in general, and I cannot support that. Based on prior evidence that whenever the government steps it, things usually end up going downhill. All you need to ask yourself, rhetorically, and provide an answer too. Do you want bullying to become a national issue that will be discussed by presidents during their debates and while they are on tours? Do you want that? Because if you do, this is the way to start. The other way, the correct way, in my point of view to do things and solve this problem is to get the government and its stupid regulations out of the school system and out of the parents attributes, as I said in the prior comment. Read it again to see what I mean.

    That is all I have to add to this dicussion. You may have, at your discretion, the last word. Though I imagine you will repeat what you have said so far with minimizing and government interference.
    I DETEST big government. I think Ron Paul/Gary Johnson are the best candidates for the POTUS.

    But I do believe in law and order is the state's responsibility.

    And I also believe that teenagers that are bullying others should be held to the EXACT same standards as adults who do the same thing.

    If you beat someone else - that is assault.

    That is illegal.

    If you threaten someone else - that is illegal.

    If you defame, defraud or slander another person - that is illegal/actionable.

    I see ZERO reason why a 16 year old should be allowed to have the massive responsibilities of driving and being able to have children and yet be practically exempt from the responsibility of breaking the law.

    Bullying is illegal (imo) and those that partake in this kind of behavior should be treated as adults under the law.

    And if that means throwing a few dozen in jail for a few years until the message gets across to the teenaged masses for generations to come that this kind of behavior will NOT BE TOLERATED?

    So be it.


    The legal loophole that bullies now enjoy must be closed.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Illogical. Punishing bullies through government-enforced laws isn't "bullying." It's like saying cops and soldiers are bullies, too.
    There are already laws in place which cover assault and the distribution of child pornography. Use those laws but don't institute new ones.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Generally, I disagree with this kind of 'mobism'.

    But in this case, I agree with it.

    This has gotten ridiculously out of hand and must be stopped at almost any cost.

    Teenagers that bully must be treated as adults in the criminal system.

    Expelling them is not enough. That just makes things worse often.

    Throw them in court and in jail for assault, threats and anything else the legal system can think up.

    This is illegal in the 'real' world.

    It must be made illegal in the 'school world' as well.

    Put cameras in every hallway and everywhere outdoors on school property. Put human monitors in bathrooms. Have people monitor public sites on the internet and look for the signs of online bullying. Spend the money to have people correlate this information and develop procedures for dealing with it. Contact the police at the first sign of illegality. And force the police and the courts to come down HARD on these bullies.

    Right now, bullies in schools know they have little to fear from the legal system for their actions.

    This freedom from fear must be removed.
    The reason the bullies are more numerous is because there are no consoquinces to bullying, from the people they are tormenting. Not from outside authority, but the people they are bullying.

    There is a term in war, called reprisal. Basically it means you do something terrible to me or mine, the favor will be returned. When I was growing up I was told if I was in a fight or picked on someone, my ass was grass, and my parents were gona be the lawn mower. I took that message to heart. Unfortunately while I wasnt looking for trouble, it found me. My mother watched me get the crap beat out of me and I didnt lift a finger by some kid. Needless to say when I got home my parents corrected their error and said I dont start fights but I better try to end them. My dad gave me a piece of advice, he said if there is gona be trouble, and they are bigger than you, get the first punch in and keep swinging till you or they go down. I've used it a couple of times to good effect. Sufficet to say when I didnt fight back there was always trouble. When I did fight back, while I would inevitable get my head handed to me on a silver platter I wasnt screwed with near as often. How does this little story apply today? When I went to school my parents let the school district know in no uncertain terms after the ass kicking they witnessed I was allowed to engage in reprisal and defend myself, without repercussion and they would go on the warpath for me if I suffered adminstrative "correction". They told the school they did not care in the least what their policy was, my parents policy superceeded and that I was to defend myself if I was accousted. I had a couple of physical confrontations after but only one serious one where I used my dads advise. I got creamed. Bad. But I learned how to stand up for myself after my parents stood up for me. This girl didnt have anyone standing up for her helping her to stand up for herself. Thats why she fell. Its sad, but a factor. That said my point is this I went to school right around the time that the "No Tolerance" policies were going into effect, and despite the fact the schools would boot me if I got into a fight, regardless of who started it, my parents stepped up to the plate and scarred the bloody hell out of the adminstrators. The schools are bringing this on themselves and their students with these no tololerance, no retaliation policies. Thank god my parents had the forsight and termarity to tell the adminstartors to touch me for defending myself at their perial. Now days it seems most people seem to go along to get along and dont challenge administrators on this policy. Bullying is ALWAYS going to be with us, it is in fact a nessarry part of learning how to deal with life. Children should be taught like I was, you face your bully head on no matter how may or how big they and dont worry about the consequences till later. You fight back. It is a painful lesson, at least if was for me at least. I dont think I ever stood up to a bully in a physical confrontation and came out a victor physcially, however I was never really messed with by them afterwards either and all words, never physically. Coincedence maybe. They never stopped when I tried to get the authorities to itnterviene, but sure hell did when I stepped up for myself. I guess what I am trying to say is part of growing up is learning how to fight for yourself. The schools nowdays are doing their level best to discourage that nowdays, and thats why this issue is such a problem.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Some of these posts are absolutely disgusting, and some of you should be absolutely shamed!!! This was a CHILD who took her own life, and some of you have absolutely NO compassion for what pain she must have experienced in order to go through with it. I take some of these comments VERY personally, as I have been very personally effected by the suicide of someone very close to me. Selfishness has NOTHING to do with it morons!

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    You know, sometimes bad and tragic things happen to people, and there is NO ONE to blame. Why does there always HAVE to be someone who is to blame? It is a tragedy PERIOD. I'll bet some of you would be shocked to find out how may teenagers kill themselves every year. It is a SERIOUS problem.

    Teenage suicide in the United States remains comparatively high in the 15 to 24 age group with 4,000 suicides in this age range in 2004, making it the third leading cause of death for those aged 15 to 24. By comparison, suicide is the 11th leading cause of death for all those age 10 and over, with 33,289 suicides for all US citizens in 2006.[1]

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sounds like you were a bully and now you are trying to justify your actions.


    There are about a billion other ways to 'make you tougher'.

    And the amount of suffering and suicide they cause is gigantically less.


    It's amazing how many truly stupid posts are coming out of this thread.

    To call bullying 'character building' is asinine in the extremis.
    Sometimes when I was growing up I wished I could. Fortunately I was not capable of such feats of intimidation. Read my posts 47, 73, and 85. Let me know I am a bully afterwards. Alright?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    How does anyone know whether or not this girl suffered from a mental illness? She could have. Major depressive disorder is a chronic mental illness that is EXTREMELY difficult to treat, and is NEVER cured. Not to mention we are talking about a CHILD here who has the thoughts, feelings and emotions of a child. Have some effing compassion for the girl AND her family. The family is most likely SUFFERING terribly!

    Imagine the state of mind and the suffering you must have to be in to actually take your own life. And another thing to remember is that MOST teenagers do not see beyond their own noses at times! They think that TODAY is everything and they don't think at ALL about tomorrow sometimes. It's a horrible tragedy whenever a person takes his/her own life, but it is TWICE as bad when it is a vulnerable child.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sounds like you were a bully and now you are trying to justify your actions.


    There are about a billion other ways to 'make you tougher'.

    And the amount of suffering and suicide they cause is gigantically less.


    It's amazing how many truly stupid posts are coming out of this thread.

    To call bullying 'character building' is asinine in the extremis.
    Sounds like you were NOT on the recieving end then. I have more experiance in this than I care to admit. That said bottom line this is a problem that adults should rarely if at all interceed in. Children need to learn to deal with it themselves. The schools should give them the room to defend themselves. Otherwise the bullyies wil keep right on being bullyies. Its a harsh life lesson, but one well worth learning.
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