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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Of course it is, at 9 years old. At 15, 16, it's not as easy to see this is never appropriate -- and if you have a teenager, I can promise you, they have had a naked photo of a classmate on their cell and the bystanders who are sent these images are "just as guilty" in the eyes of the law.

    Parents: talk to the child. Drag them down to sit with an ADA, if need be. Hell, arrange a visit to the county jail. Do what you need to to get this through their thick heads.

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    If you photo your new baby naked on a bearskin rug, as parents have been doing since cameras were invented, DO NOT UPLOAD those photos. YOU are a "child pornographer" under the law as well.

    Lastly, at least one school that issued laptops to students used coding that turned the webcam on randomly, for security purposes. I would order a laptop that has no webcam, if they are available, and if not, make sure the programming of that device is removed.

    Naked baby photos are just not a good idea, they aren't child porn though.....at least not according to the statutes I had to learn in my law and ethics classes though that could have been changed since. Child pornagraphy is concerns the sexualizing of children through a recording medium. So baby during a bath on a rug wasn't previously covered but a girl under 18 flashing most certainly is. That said I agree with everything here, kids have got to understand that there are consequences associated with behavior, and usually the more adult the behavior the worse the consequences.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    The part in bold gets tricky when you start to think about why child-porn laws exist to begin with. To be clear, I'm talking specifically about the punishment that's appropriate for the person who makes the picture. Most of the time, we're talking about a girl uploading a picture of herself. Since child porn laws exist to protect children (and, let's face it, mostly that's going to involve girls, and frequently teenage girls) it seems ludicrous to me to punish a girl who voluntarily exposes herself as if she were a predator preying on herself. Again - that's obviously a dumbass thing for the girl to have done, but it emphatically does not remotely warrant the treatment that a genuine predator deserves. The law as it stands doesn't really make that distinction.
    It's all based on the concept of consent. While the minor is technically consenting to being naked on a recorded medium they have no legal right to consent, in that way it's akin to statutory rape. Basically the minor owns their body obviously but does not have full legal authority over certain aspects. I am in favor of either dismissal of "self porn"(for lack of a better word) or much lighter sentencing but currently those laws are airtight with little to no wiggle room.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Naked baby photos are just not a good idea, they aren't child porn though.....at least not according to the statutes I had to learn in my law and ethics classes though that could have been changed since. Child pornagraphy is concerns the sexualizing of children through a recording medium. So baby during a bath on a rug wasn't previously covered but a girl under 18 flashing most certainly is. That said I agree with everything here, kids have got to understand that there are consequences associated with behavior, and usually the more adult the behavior the worse the consequences.
    The "naked baby" photo is likely to be blessed by MOST ADAs, but not all. I don't say not to take it -- but store it on your harddrive. Don't upload it to a photosharing site, as the evil neighbor, ex-employee, etc. could (conceivably) make your life miserable with it.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    The "naked baby" photo is likely to be blessed by MOST ADAs, but not all. I don't say not to take it -- but store it on your harddrive. Don't upload it to a photosharing site, as the evil neighbor, ex-employee, etc. could (conceivably) make your life miserable with it.
    Yeah, the couple will probably win in court but at extra expense. Not worth it, people need to be careful with hard driving sensitive materials as well though, a talented hacker could concievably clone it and use it against them.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Regarding the stalker, it seems to me that if it can be proven that he did stalk her and coerce her into sexual favors, which would include sending internet pictures or videos of herself, then he can and should be prosecuted for that. It is an evil, evil thing to abuse a minor child in that way. To the extent that he can be held responsible for her suicide on a criminal basis, as I understand it, that's only possible if he encouraged her to do so and not in every jurisdiction. It's possible he could be held liable on a civil basis, but I doubt that he has any assets to go after.

    Regarding the victim, she clearly had some serious psychological problems that pre-date and exacerbate the personal interactions surrounding this incident. She was getting treatment of sorts, but she continued to act out in very odd and self destructive ways. I'm thinking that this was the result of a personality disorder. With a person the age of 15 this sort of problem can leave parents bewildered and feeling unable to help their child. I doubt that simply restricting access to the internet and so on would have been enough to prevent this cycle of events from playing out.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Regarding the stalker, it seems to me that if it can be proven that he did stalk her and coerce her into sexual favors, which would include sending internet pictures or videos of herself, then he can and should be prosecuted for that.
    I agree, but if current law is not sufficient to lay criminal charges for such conduct, I think we need more criminal laws.

    It is an evil, evil thing to abuse a minor child in that way.
    No argument here.


    To the extent that he can be held responsible for her suicide on a criminal basis, as I understand it, that's only possible if he encouraged her to do so and not in every jurisdiction. It's possible he could be held liable on a civil basis, but I doubt that he has any assets to go after.
    He's not criminally liable for her suicide in any US jurisdiction, the last I checked. To me, the child's death was foreseeable and his conduct was calculated to bring it about. I think he should be guilty of negligent homicide.

    Regarding the victim, she clearly had some serious psychological problems that pre-date and exacerbate the personal interactions surrounding this incident.
    I don't know and I don't care if this child was mentally unstable when she first started on the net at age 12. We both know, sadistic pedophiles are extremely astute at choosing victims, and that they are drawn to kids with psychological problems.

    Are such kids any less deserving of protection by law enforcement?


    She was getting treatment of sorts, but she continued to act out in very odd and self destructive ways. I'm thinking that this was the result of a personality disorder.
    You seem to have some facts I don't, and no one else appears to have. Care to share what source you relied on to gather them?

    With a person the age of 15 this sort of problem can leave parents bewildered and feeling unable to help their child. I doubt that simply restricting access to the internet and so on would have been enough to prevent this cycle of events from playing out.
    I agree, and I'll even go further: for the parents of such a child to prohibit that child to use the internet is more or less as effective as whistling in the dark. Once a child is enthralled by a sadistic adult, far more must be done to protect that child -- and I doubt any of it will be enough, if the sadistic adult cannot be arrested and prevented from continuing the abuse.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Oops, my bad, leaving now.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I just scanned this thread.... "the naked baby pictures" issue. Egads!

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    im not really sure if this is the proper place for this, but since it's the topic of bullying, i guess it's ok to place it here.






    This is a very tragic story of a girl that commited suicide because of bullying. Yes, she made some big mistakes, but these mistakes do not make it ok to bully.

    This is the video that she post prior to killing herself. very sad.

    This needs to stop!



    Amanda Todd: Bullied Canadian Teen Commits Suicide After Prolonged Battle Online And In School


    in 3...2...1.... here comes the pro-bully posts
    And the reason why she was being bullied by her peers is because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. The creepy old man thing was because she didn't have the common sense to not send pics of her tits to a complete stranger. It's also not the first time she tried to kill herself, and she practiced self-mutilation, so clearly, there were profound psychological issues that nobody on the MSM is going to discuss, because there's no profit to be made in the truth of the matter.

    People get bullied, it's a fact of life, and it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Next thing we know, we'll have the "save the children" brigade crying out that bullying is an act of terrorism, and use some other dead child as a martyr for their half-cocked crusade.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Bullying is still as isolating, painful, and damaging as that of yesteryear. It may be worse now that we can harass people not only at school but online in their own homes. Words can dig deep and fester. This girl cried for help and a friend and received hate in return from her peers. Yes, she made some big mistakes, but People have done worse and been treated better.

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