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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Criminal law is very hard to write -- I think you have a terrific idea. It's too late to prosecute Lori Drew, but hopefully, this evil man will do time.
    Yeah, the guy is scum, the lowest of scum. Unfortunately when we think we've seen the cruelest and lowest of humanity someone comes along and outdoes it, so we can only react, hopefully to stop or hinder the efforts to do so again.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Interestingly enough, I was involved in the first federally prosecuted case of an adult internet "grooming" a minor and getting her to send him naked pictures of herself. It was a pretty high profile case and helped to create new law. He pretended to be a 15 year old boy who was cousins with members of her favorite band. He was the perfect pedophile... picked a lonely, depressed girl who had poor self-esteem, no father, and few friends. He groomed her very well and slowly gained her trust until she was so connected with "her best friend" that she would do anything to please him. At the end of the day, he turned out to be a 47 year old man who was doing the same thing to 17 other girls. My client was the only one who went through with the prosecution process.

    These guys are scum... but they are very adept at picking kids who they can convince to do what they want. These kinds of kids just want to please and these assholes prey on that.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    An excellent question.

    The answer is, in every case we have discussed, the law does not now exist that would permit a prosecution, except that we could charge the 9 year who took a photo of her naked classmate with child pornography.

    Stalking, harrassment, terroristic threats, etc. -- these laws do sometimes get used to prosecute cyber-bullying, but they are most useful on the least dangerous types: peer to peer bullying. Law enforcement and criminal justice need another tool in the tool bag to get the adults who target children on the net -- something that criminalizes speech they know is directed at a child and is reasonably foreseeably creating a risk of grave harm to the child.
    You can't be serious....

    CHARGE A 9 YEAR OLD??

    Its nearly impossible from a common sense standpoint.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You can't be serious....

    CHARGE A 9 YEAR OLD??

    Its nearly impossible from a common sense standpoint.
    It's entirely possible, but no, I don't believe that'd be the right thing to do. OTOH, something sure as hell has to happen, as the child who was photoed naked is suffering horrendously.

    All these teenagers who successfully beg one another for naked photos or who succumb to such begging are also child pornographers, and charges have been laid in some cases. We have a real problem here, folks.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You can't be serious....

    CHARGE A 9 YEAR OLD??

    Its nearly impossible from a common sense standpoint.
    How else do people learn that certain behaviors have great consequence? I am not a fan of charging minors with a felony but there should be some punishment for asking minors for naked pictures due to the permanence of it, and sexualizing children is wrong even when done by other kids. There could be a lesser charge for minors in possession of child porn, but that behavior needs to get curbed or else you could end up with adult child abusers.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    How else do people learn that certain behaviors have great consequence? I am not a fan of charging minors with a felony but there should be some punishment for asking minors for naked pictures due to the permanence of it, and sexualizing children is wrong even when done by other kids. There could be a lesser charge for minors in possession of child porn, but that behavior needs to get curbed or else you could end up with adult child abusers.
    Thats a parenting problem. Not a law enforcement problem.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Thats a parenting problem. Not a law enforcement problem.
    Normally I would agree, but we are speaking of serious criminal charges. As an officer I know you've seen the pattern of behavior in criminals and recidivism first hand, my only point about having some legal consequence is to hopefully curb bad illegal behaviors in these kids so they don't make a habit of them. I'm not saying throw them in federal prison for their childhood but maybe a stint in Juvi for a month or so, hell I'm good with a week.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Normally I would agree, but we are speaking of serious criminal charges. As an officer I know you've seen the pattern of behavior in criminals and recidivism first hand, my only point about having some legal consequence is to hopefully curb bad illegal behaviors in these kids so they don't make a habit of them. I'm not saying throw them in federal prison for their childhood but maybe a stint in Juvi for a month or so, hell I'm good with a week.
    9 years old is way to young to be going to a juvenile detention facility for being curious about naked bodies.


    I really don't get this extreme position people take on these sex issues that they tend to IGNORE or EXCUSE when it comes to juvenile armed robbery gang thugs from the ghetto.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    9 years old is way to young to be going to a juvenile detention facility for being curious about naked bodies.


    I really don't get this extreme position people take on these sex issues that they tend to IGNORE or EXCUSE when it comes to juvenile armed robbery gang thugs from the ghetto.
    It's voyeurism at the least and child porn at the worst. I realize extreme minors don't have the same capacities as adults BUT these are serious behaviors and some consequences need to be applied.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

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    I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.

    So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:

    1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
    2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
    3) How does that suicidal person feel?
    4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?

    Let's start there and see how you all do.
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    1) ultimately, the person taking his/her own life is responsible for it. Even typing that sounds harsh, but the thought of someone making me do something I donít want to do seems impossible. But then Iím as pig headed as they get.

    In this case we are talking about a young girl from a split home, we donít know what kind of parents either her mom or dad was. She made a stupid mistake on the internet (flashing her boobs) from what I was able to read that mistake followed her wherever she went. She couldnít get away from it. You donít know if she sought out help from other sources or not. All things considered with her young age, all the problems that followed her, help that she needed and didnít get I could see how over time it could build up to a point where she felt it just wasnít worth it any more Ö and that is such a sad thing .

    2) usually I would think withdrawn, quiet, difficult to get to know, probably (in this case) did well in school. ( one way to cover your problems) someone that unless you knew for a long time, you would never pick up on their being a problem

    3) aloneÖisolated Ö. Helpless

    4) This really baffles me Ö and Iím totally guessing , but I would think in their mind they have asked .and canít understand why people have ignored his/her pleas for help. In reality, they havenít asked because they have been indirect. In the end when someone completes such a thing, I donít feel that itís planned in advance, something triggers the breaking point and they say no more and take their own life.

    So how badly did I do ??

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