Page 8 of 90 FirstFirst ... 6789101858 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 894

Thread: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

  1. #71
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    18,536
    Blog Entries
    4

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Having been violently bullied to the point of having to leave the ****ty public school system, I will pull no punches on this issue. The only thin that will truly bore into the thick skulls of these pieces of **** is fear of jail/prison.

  2. #72
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    As said before, it's not enough.

    These bullies need to be punished, but what do you want to do about it? NOTHING. Why even post her if you're going to defend these bullies and lash out against any attempt to bring bullies to justice?

    These bullies are a problem. If someone is bullying someone else, punish them to the fullest extent of the law. Make laws that will put them in jail or, if not jail, the next best thing, "Juvy" or whatever it's called.

    Don't keep protecting these bullies while trying to peddle some half-assed empathy for this dead girl. The very people you're protecting can and sometimes do contribute to teen suicides.

    The parents don't give a ****. Hold the ******** themselves, the bullies, accountable for their actions!
    I see you either do not read my posts or I am not clear enough.

    Let me be clear.

    I am AGAINST institutionalized punishment, especially at the magnitude you desire, of bullies because they are:
    a) children
    b) citizens
    c) like a) specified, they are children. They are not mature. In very rare cases can they be held fully responsible for their actions because most do not forsee what consequences their actions can have.

    So I am against having the GOVERNMENT come in and regulate, through programs and policies, how bullies should be treated... and I repeat, especially at the level you are proposing.

    THAT BEING SAID:

    I am not saying that whoever behaves inappropriately towards their colleagues, teachers or parents should be left unpunished. I am all for letting teachers slap the kid who mistreats his colleagues or teachers. Dismiss them from class or expel them without permission to come near school grounds ever again. I am against allowing them to beaten by teachers. I am however of the opinion that parents should be allowed to administer corporal punishment to their children WHEN there is NO OTHER WAY and all other options have been EXHAUSTED. I am not pro-abuse but against abuse. So I am against child-abuse but not against a good spanking if there is no other way to go about it. Ofc, there are age restrictions. Never for kids under 14yrs old for instance.

    I am also pro-military school for children who behave poorly both in the academic sphere and the behavioral sphere. I am AGAINST sending them to jail before they are 18. I am also against giving them a permanent penal record before they are 18 (unless they do first degree murder or something on that level. bullying, though it may result in suicide, is not the same, not by far).

    Ultimately, a suicide has multiple parties to blame for especially in this case. I cannot rule out the person who killed herself as being blameless. She is to blame for numerous things and carried the last drop of the blame with her to her grave. Her parents carry a large deal of the blame and the police carry a large deal of blame too. And also, the mature person who blackmailed her. The least amount of blame is carried by the gealous girlfriend of the guy who the girl in the video fell for and the other kids. They are NOT her keepers. They do deserve to be punished with suspended from class and maybe a lower grade... as well as being forced to attend correctional classes for their behaviour. But other than that, no. They were underrage and could not possibly, in any way, forsee that this would happen. Professional psychiatrists and her parents couldn't figure out that she was depressed dammit and you want 14-15 yrs old kids to figure it out?


    I think your personal emotions get in the way of a reasonable argument here and you are blindsided to certain aspects. The WORST way to handle such a situation is to have the government handle it. They cannot handle the most basic of things. Don't EVER rely on the government to solve your problems.

  3. #73
    Resident Martian ;)
    PirateMk1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    9,928

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Having been violently bullied to the point of having to leave the ****ty public school system, I will pull no punches on this issue. The only thin that will truly bore into the thick skulls of these pieces of **** is fear of jail/prison.
    Did it make you tougher? Did it make you more empathetic? Did though the bullying, you learn to cope and survive and fight back? Learn when its time to leave. Whether you like it or not the crucible that it was helped distill you to your current nature. Is that a bad thing what you are now?
    Semper Fidelis, Semper Liber.
    I spit at lots of people through my computer screen. Not only does it "teach them a lesson" but it keeps the screen clean and shiny.
    Stolen fair and square from the Capt. Courtesey himself.

  4. #74
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    18,536
    Blog Entries
    4

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Did it make you tougher? Did it make you more empathetic? Did though the bullying, you learn to cope and survive and fight back? Learn when its time to leave. Whether you like it or not the crucible that it was helped distill you to your current nature. Is that a bad thing what you are now?
    Not sure what you mean.

    Personally, I'd rather see these kinds of bullies dead. Harsh, sure, but honest.

  5. #75
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Did it make you tougher? Did it make you more empathetic? Did though the bullying, you learn to cope and survive and fight back? Learn when its time to leave. Whether you like it or not the crucible that it was helped distill you to your current nature. Is that a bad thing what you are now?
    Sounds like you were a bully and now you are trying to justify your actions.


    There are about a billion other ways to 'make you tougher'.

    And the amount of suffering and suicide they cause is gigantically less.


    It's amazing how many truly stupid posts are coming out of this thread.

    To call bullying 'character building' is asinine in the extremis.
    Last edited by DA60; 10-12-12 at 06:22 PM.

  6. #76
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    18,536
    Blog Entries
    4

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I see you either do not read my posts or I am not clear enough.

    Let me be clear.

    I am AGAINST institutionalized punishment, especially at the magnitude you desire, of bullies because they are:
    a) children
    b) citizens
    c) like a) specified, they are children. They are not mature. In very rare cases can they be held fully responsible for their actions because most do not forsee what consequences their actions can have.

    So I am against having the GOVERNMENT come in and regulate, through programs and policies, how bullies should be treated... and I repeat, especially at the level you are proposing.

    THAT BEING SAID:

    I am not saying that whoever behaves inappropriately towards their colleagues, teachers or parents should be left unpunished. I am all for letting teachers slap the kid who mistreats his colleagues or teachers. Dismiss them from class or expel them without permission to come near school grounds ever again. I am against allowing them to beaten by teachers. I am however of the opinion that parents should be allowed to administer corporal punishment to their children WHEN there is NO OTHER WAY and all other options have been EXHAUSTED. I am not pro-abuse but against abuse. So I am against child-abuse but not against a good spanking if there is no other way to go about it. Ofc, there are age restrictions. Never for kids under 14yrs old for instance.

    I am also pro-military school for children who behave poorly both in the academic sphere and the behavioral sphere. I am AGAINST sending them to jail before they are 18. I am also against giving them a permanent penal record before they are 18 (unless they do first degree murder or something on that level. bullying, though it may result in suicide, is not the same, not by far).

    Ultimately, a suicide has multiple parties to blame for especially in this case. I cannot rule out the person who killed herself as being blameless. She is to blame for numerous things and carried the last drop of the blame with her to her grave. Her parents carry a large deal of the blame and the police carry a large deal of blame too. And also, the mature person who blackmailed her. The least amount of blame is carried by the gealous girlfriend of the guy who the girl in the video fell for and the other kids. They are NOT her keepers. They do deserve to be punished with suspended from class and maybe a lower grade... as well as being forced to attend correctional classes for their behaviour. But other than that, no. They were underrage and could not possibly, in any way, forsee that this would happen. Professional psychiatrists and her parents couldn't figure out that she was depressed dammit and you want 14-15 yrs old kids to figure it out?


    I think your personal emotions get in the way of a reasonable argument here and you are blindsided to certain aspects. The WORST way to handle such a situation is to have the government handle it. They cannot handle the most basic of things. Don't EVER rely on the government to solve your problems.
    I don't care if you think "they're children." You minimalize it. You can't even call them for what they are: bullies. Why is that?

    I don't care if "they're citizens." A lot of criminals are citizens, too.

    Put these bullies in Juvy for a year. Or put them in jail.

    Obviously you plan to do nothing. The government can enact laws that will actually, you know, do something to stop this nonsense.

    Parents are not doing enough. Our current measures are not enough.

    Unlike you I don't blame the victim.

    You do nothing. You don't care because it's not your problem. In truth you honestly don't give a **** about the girl or what happened. Did you even watch the video entirely? Your solutions aren't enough, and because of it more kids will die. But since you don't care, it's alright.

    I think your lack of emotions and inability to address the problem gets in the way of solving the problem. You're left blindsided because you see this dead girl as just another dead "thing" associated with the blight of bullying. The BEST way to actually solve this problem is to have the government enact laws to STOP and PUNISH bullying. Don't EVER rely on doing nothing to solve your problems.

    "Yup, she's dead. Let's do nothing and move on."
    Last edited by Wake; 10-12-12 at 06:32 PM.

  7. #77
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    06-28-17 @ 10:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,909

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The girls if any charges should be brought should be brought up on assult. IE. they physically harmed another person. The law that you quoted quite frankly disturbes me, as it is very vague so say the least. My barber and I could be charged under this law for the give and take we have. Some of the things we say to each other if others didnt know our history would be considered VERY harrasing, and down right offensive sometimes. Its just the way we happen to roll. There happens to be a couple of funny stories from that give and take and the reactions of other people by the way. That said putting people, especially young adults in prison for essintially atrotious behavior, I find that to be distrubing. Its bad law as far as I am concerend, from what it tries to punish to its construction.
    Each situation is fact sensitive and the law is applied to those facts.

  8. #78
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't care if you think "they're children." You minimalize it. You can't even call them for what they are: bullies. Why is that?

    I don't care if "they're citizens." A lot of criminals are citizens, too.

    Put these bullies in Juvy for a year. Or put them in jail.

    Obviously you plan to do nothing. The government can enact laws that will actually, you know, do something to stop this nonsense.

    Parents are not doing enough. Our current measure are not enough.

    Unlike you I don't blame the victim.

    You do nothing. You don't care because it's not your problem. In truth you honestly don't give a **** about the girl or what happened. Did you even watch the video entirely? Your solutions aren't enough, and because of it more kids will die. But since you don't care, it's alright.

    I think your lack of emotions inability to address the problem gets in the way of solving the problem. You're left blindsided because you see this dead girl as just another dead "thing" associated with the blight of bullying. The BEST way to actually solve this problem is to have the government enact laws to STOP and PUNISH bullying. Don't EVER rely on doing nothing to solve your problems.

    "Yup, she's dead. Let's do nothing and move on."
    I fear you are wasting your 'breath'.

  9. #79
    Guru
    celticwar17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,911

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Why wasn't someone like me around?

    If I ever saw that happen, even when I was in middle school... I would be her friend and stick up for her. I would also beat those kids up.

  10. #80
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't care if you think "they're children." You minimalize it. You can't even call them for what they are: bullies. Why is that?

    I don't care if "they're citizens." A lot of criminals are citizens, too.

    Put these bullies in Juvy for a year. Or put them in jail.

    Obviously you plan to do nothing. The government can enact laws that will actually, you know, do something to stop this nonsense.

    Parents are not doing enough. Our current measure are not enough.

    Unlike you I don't blame the victim.

    You do nothing. You don't care because it's not your problem. In truth you honestly don't give a **** about the girl or what happened. Did you even watch the video entirely? Your solutions aren't enough, and because of it more kids will die. But since you don't care, it's alright.

    I think your lack of emotions inability to address the problem gets in the way of solving the problem. You're left blindsided because you see this dead girl as just another dead "thing" associated with the blight of bullying. The BEST way to actually solve this problem is to have the government enact laws to STOP and PUNISH bullying. Don't EVER rely on doing nothing to solve your problems.

    "Yup, she's dead. Let's do nothing and move on."
    Ok. You caught me. That was exactly what I wanted to say. Nothing for the bullies. Nothing at all. I guess you missed 2 paragraphs but whatever. I won't push for this topic with you beyond this final comment.

    I will cease this discussion with you because I doubt I can convince you of the way I see things and you have no chance of convincing me because you are inviting the government to once again become MORE and MORE part of your life, or your family's life... or the life of private individuals in general, and I cannot support that. Based on prior evidence that whenever the government steps it, things usually end up going downhill. All you need to ask yourself, rhetorically, and provide an answer too. Do you want bullying to become a national issue that will be discussed by presidents during their debates and while they are on tours? Do you want that? Because if you do, this is the way to start. The other way, the correct way, in my point of view to do things and solve this problem is to get the government and its stupid regulations out of the school system and out of the parents attributes, as I said in the prior comment. Read it again to see what I mean.

    That is all I have to add to this dicussion. You may have, at your discretion, the last word. Though I imagine you will repeat what you have said so far with minimizing and government interference.

Page 8 of 90 FirstFirst ... 6789101858 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •