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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And yet I have not posted anything about calling her a slut..... nor, that I recall, criticizing her actions in any way EXCEPT her decision to kill herself.

    Yet people continue to label me with the others.

    Its a pathetic example of US V THEM

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    ALL I am saying, is that the responsibility for killing herself is on her hands. SHE made that decision. At 15, you damned sure ARE responsible for your own decisions.
    , never said you called him slut..but admit..your comments are not so different from jerry'S posts..
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You're right, Caine's posts were thoughtful too.

    For my 2 cents, I believe that ascribing blame in these circumstances has no place in the discussion of what to do about suicidal teens. The bullying and internet harassment may well have been contributory factors to the state of mind the girl got into, and they should be dealt with by the relevant authorities. That the girl reacted to the external and internal circumstances with inappropriate and fatal decision-making was all about her, her mental illness and her impaired decision-making skills.

    I haven't read enough about this case to know whether any of the rampant promiscuity that the trolls accused her of has any basis in fact. All I've read are that she had some inappropriate contact with someone she met online. That in itself might be a symptom of her internal turmoil, or it might just be a mistake of youth which, in any case and in my experience, contained an awful lot of internal turmoil.

    I've no doubt that the people who loved her, and the professionals who were dealing with her, feel a horrible burden of failure at the outcome and do feel a terrible burden of responsibility for what happened. They WILL blame themselves, whether or not they did everything in their power to prevent this horrible outcome. I hope that they have people around them that can provide the calm perspective that you, and the other posters mentioned, have brought to this thread.
    Right on target, Anda. Whatever she did, she did as a result of her turmoil. Here's a fun fact. Many rape/molestation survivors become extremely promiscuous after their rape/molestation. Why? Logic would seem to dictate that after such an act, one would avoid sexual contact... and many do. Both, what others "learned" from their experience is that their bodies were not theirs and were not worth protecting. This was all they were worth, so they keep doing it. OR, they have lots of sex in order to psychologically reestablish control over the act, a way to prove to themselves that a trauma like that could not happen again.

    This is why anyone who presented this girls promiscuity as part of her responsibility in what happened has no knowledge of mental illness.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    *sigh* good ****ing grief..


    SHE CHOSE to die.

    It was HER decision.

    NOBODY else is responsible for that decision.
    she was suffering from anxiety......moreover she was child....

    do you know something about anxiety??
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    she was suffering from anxiety......moreover she was child....

    do you know something about anxiety??
    Medusa, I see exactly what you're saying, but I think you are misunderstanding Caine's point. He is talking about it being her 'responsibility', not about her being 'to blame'. Those are two different things. Jerry and the others, whose names I've happily forgotten, were 'blaming' her for what happened. Caine's is not doing that and his comments cannot be compared to that objectionable line of argument.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Medusa, I see exactly what you're saying, but I think you are misunderstanding Caine's point. He is talking about it being her 'responsibility', not about her being 'to blame'. Those are two different things. Jerry and the others, whose names I've happily forgotten, were 'blaming' her for what happened. Caine's is not doing that and his comments cannot be compared to that objectionable line of argument.
    Medusa... Anda's right. Read my post explaining the difference between blame and responsibility. Caine was placing responsibility on her... which is accurate.... not blame, which would not be.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    she was suffering from anxiety......moreover she was child....

    do you know something about anxiety??
    As has been pointed out from the beginning that apparently started this entire thing and I will say again, she is responsible for the act of killing herself. She is responsible for her suicide. No one else pulled the trigger and no one else chose the action. That was all on her. She was unstable, probably very mentally ill, and it was only made worse by the things done to her. That is it. CC wants to say that she isn't to blame for it though is responsible for it, but if you ask me that is just really missing the point of what responsibility means. It basically taking the first part and not really wanting to notice the second part, but whatever, it's really not that important.

    Anyway, like it or not anxiety doesn't really lift responsibility of the decision or the action away from her. Though I understand why people might think such a thing.

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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Medusa, I see exactly what you're saying, but I think you are misunderstanding Caine's point. He is talking about it being her 'responsibility', not about her being 'to blame'. Those are two different things. Jerry and the others, whose names I've happily forgotten, were 'blaming' her for what happened. Caine's is not doing that and his comments cannot be compared to that objectionable line of argument.
    i see it..but we are talking about a child who had struggled both with anxiety and other bullies.and anxiety is an illness that can lead you to want to die.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    As has been pointed out from the beginning that apparently started this entire thing and will say again, she is responsible for the act of killing herself. She is responsible for her suicide. No one else pulled the trigger and no one else chose the action. That was all on her. She was unstable, probably very mentally ill, and it was only made worse by the things done to her. That is it. CC wants to say that she isn't to blame for it though is responsible for it, but if you ask me that is just really missing the point of what responsibility means. It basically taking the first part and not really wanting to notice the second part, but whatever, it's really not that important.

    Anyway, like it or not anxiety doesn't really lift responsibility of the decision or the action away from her. Though I understand why people might think such a thing.
    No.

    A policeman who shoots an armed perp who is threatening others is responsible for the death of the perp, but s/he is not (necessarily) to blame for it.
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    i see it..but we are talking about a child who had struggled both with anxiety and other bullies.and anxiety is an illness that can lead you to want to die.
    Yes, of course, but actually killing yourself, because of that illness is your responsibility, even though you are not to blame for that illness. See the difference?
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    Re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No.

    A policeman who shoots an armed perp who is threatening others is responsible for the death of the perp, but s/he is not (necessarily) to blame for it.
    No, that is still the same. They shot the individual in question that was threating others and is responsible and to blame for it. If it is justified or punishable is another matter all together.

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