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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Suicide is ultimately the choice of the individual. However, the cruelty and emotional wounds of others can influence this choice. I don't agree with the girl's decision nor do I think it was right, but it takes a strong desire to die in order to go forward with suicide and the bullies caused her to have a quality of life where she would rather not live. The bullies are at fault as well and should be held accountable.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Do NOT protect bullies in my presence and expect to be taken seriously. Enough damage has already been done.
    Do you understand the difference between what bullies are doing and what you want the state to do?

    I remind you again. The state, an institution, that is made BY the people, for the people to protect and better serve the citizens, all citizens... you want it to crack down on bullies in schools? The bullies themselves are NOT an institution. They are private individuals, underrage private individuals at that.

    Better leave it to the parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In my opinion, the problem is that kids are learning all of life's lessons from each other. It's the blind leading the blind. They need better role models, and the school system can't provide that. We need to integrate them in to adult society a lot better.

    I just started another thread on this in the "polls" section. Let me hear your thoughts over there.
    So the failure of the school system to help my son was the fault of the other children??????????
    How does that work?
    Also if you actually read my post I said it was the ADULTs who were bulllying my son and that the ADULTS they reported to allowed it because the ADULT society allowed it. Your entire argument or discussion if you preferred on my points at least is flawed to say the least.
    If you have a system like existed in Michigan then you have a point.
    But if you have a system like this one or where beating children is permitted then you are VERY WRONG. And more of that type of stuff happens in "private" schools than public because of the level of oversight is greater in public schools
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Connery normally I agree with you, this case I dont. I've been the victom of "bullying" when I was growing up. I was short and an easy target and not very human savy. It sucked. Bad. But looking back several decades removed, that merciless pumiling and humiliation made me much more resiliant and tougher. I still aint very human savy, but now I am a Timex watch I take a lickin and still keep on ticken. People call me all sorts of names, and say things about my mama that I know aint true. It dont phase me one bit, if I even notice. If some one wants to get physical, they can do their worst, because I will most certainly do my best to my worst. I may lose and badly, but they will KNOW tangling with me will cost MUCH more then they care to pay. I pride my self in charging confiscatory rates for the privaledge of kicking my ass. My currency is blood and parts.

    Life is misery on top of pain, wrapped in suckiness. What makes it worth living is the good and great moments that you occasionally experiance, and that makes the pain worth it. Point is whether we like it or not bulling is part of life and is how those of us that dont have naturally good social skills learn to cope and survive and prevail. It is nessary to experiance humiliation, pain, and suffering because it is how we develope empathy, self reliance, and toughness all important skills and attributes to help us better cope with the cold, cast iron, cruel bitch that life can be. It is also how we learn to take the bad in life and try to make it good or at least livable. While I hated every bloody second of my torture, I would NOT give even one second back if I could. I learned how to stand up for myself and how to be a man. I would have never done that if I wasnt bullied. Its been a looonnng time since I have been bullied in any significant way but I still remember it quite clearly and very much remember the lessons I was taught. I feel for the young girl, and family and loved ones, her death while tragic does provide inportant life lessons for those who were around her and for society at large. It is sad that this is so, but it is a part of life. He did not cause her death, she is wholely reasonsible for that, the price entirely too high, but he did contribute to her misery. I dont know for certain about the way the bully feels, but I know this, he will probabaly regret that he did what he did till the day he dies even though he did not directly kill her.

    People will agree or disagree with what I wrote, it matters not to me, the reason I wrote it was I felt it needed to be said. As far as those who claim a crime has been commited, I say this. You are fools. This is a tragedy, a distraught girl took her own life. Those who said unkind and demeaning things while cruel, and capricious in their actions and words, did nothing criminal. This is a tragedy nothing more.
    This is the measuring rod I am using: a troupe of girls from her first school came and beat her up. Further, if there are laws in her jurisdiction that speak to: "Whoever willfully and maliciously engages in a knowing pattern of conduct or series of acts over a period of time directed at a specific person, which seriously alarms that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, shall be guilty of the crime of criminal harassment and shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than 21/2 years or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment. The conduct or acts described in this paragraph shall include, but not be limited to, conduct or acts conducted by mail or by use of a telephonic or telecommunication device or electronic communication device including, but not limited to, any device that transfers signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, data or intelligence of any nature transmitted in whole or in part by a wire, radio, electromagnetic, photo-electronic or photo-optical system, including, but not limited to, electronic mail, internet communications, instant messages or facsimile communications."( see General Laws: CHAPTER 265, Section 43A )

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Do you understand the difference between what bullies are doing and what you want the state to do?

    I remind you again. The state, an institution, that is made BY the people, for the people to protect and better serve the citizens, all citizens... you want it to crack down on bullies in schools? The bullies themselves are NOT an institution. They are private individuals, underrage private individuals at that.

    Better leave it to the parents.
    As said before, it's not enough.

    These bullies need to be punished, but what do you want to do about it? NOTHING. Why even post her if you're going to defend these bullies and lash out against any attempt to bring bullies to justice?

    These bullies are a problem. If someone is bullying someone else, punish them to the fullest extent of the law. Make laws that will put them in jail or, if not jail, the next best thing, "Juvy" or whatever it's called.

    Don't keep protecting these bullies while trying to peddle some half-assed empathy for this dead girl. The very people you're protecting can and sometimes do contribute to teen suicides.

    The parents don't give a ****. Hold the ******** themselves, the bullies, accountable for their actions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Exactly!

    If you're going to get past the bullying crap you have to deal with it head on and let the bully know that what they're doing is of no consequence to you. Sometimes it requires fighting back physically and some times intellectually but it ALWAYS requires standing up for yourself. That's where the parents failed. They just kept on moving the kid around instead of helping her address the issue directly. When kids do stupid things they need to know that they have to take their licks but that the stupid thing doesn't define them and that it will eventually be a part of their past.
    This comment is very sad. You obviously have no idea how extreme bullying can be in todays schools. I do not care how much of a tough guy approach you want to take. Children are not adults and they respond differently than some of us. Please read the posts heree about my son and then tell me how a child with Aspergers Syndrome shoulld have "toughed it out" then I will let you explain it to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.

    What do you think ought to be done?
    The issue is not the amount its the degree and the "acceptability" of it be certain parts of our society. Bullying (teasing) will always be with us its part of our lesser angels. Its the degree that must be controlled. And as you can see from the various posts it will be a hard sell. If you wish I will tell you privately how it was handled in SW Michigan. It worked very well.
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    I want Draconian methods passed. What is being done currently is not enough.

    We as a society should rear up in response to bullying, as a swarm of deadly wasps to a threat.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I want Draconian methods passed. What is being done currently is not enough.

    We as a society should rear up in response to bullying, as a swarm of deadly wasps to a threat.
    Generally, I disagree with this kind of 'mobism'.

    But in this case, I agree with it.

    This has gotten ridiculously out of hand and must be stopped at almost any cost.

    Teenagers that bully must be treated as adults in the criminal system.

    Expelling them is not enough. That just makes things worse often.

    Throw them in court and in jail for assault, threats and anything else the legal system can think up.

    This is illegal in the 'real' world.

    It must be made illegal in the 'school world' as well.

    Put cameras in every hallway and everywhere outdoors on school property. Put human monitors in bathrooms. Have people monitor public sites on the internet and look for the signs of online bullying. Spend the money to have people correlate this information and develop procedures for dealing with it. Contact the police at the first sign of illegality. And force the police and the courts to come down HARD on these bullies.

    Right now, bullies in schools know they have little to fear from the legal system for their actions.

    This freedom from fear must be removed.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is the measuring rod I am using: a troupe of girls from her first school came and beat her up. Further, if there are laws in her jurisdiction that speak to: "Whoever willfully and maliciously engages in a knowing pattern of conduct or series of acts over a period of time directed at a specific person, which seriously alarms that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, shall be guilty of the crime of criminal harassment and shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than 21/2 years or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment. The conduct or acts described in this paragraph shall include, but not be limited to, conduct or acts conducted by mail or by use of a telephonic or telecommunication device or electronic communication device including, but not limited to, any device that transfers signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, data or intelligence of any nature transmitted in whole or in part by a wire, radio, electromagnetic, photo-electronic or photo-optical system, including, but not limited to, electronic mail, internet communications, instant messages or facsimile communications."( see General Laws: CHAPTER 265, Section 43A )
    The girls if any charges should be brought should be brought up on assult. IE. they physically harmed another person. The law that you quoted quite frankly disturbes me, as it is very vague so say the least. My barber and I could be charged under this law for the give and take we have. Some of the things we say to each other if others didnt know our history would be considered VERY harrasing, and down right offensive sometimes. Its just the way we happen to roll. There happens to be a couple of funny stories from that give and take and the reactions of other people by the way. That said putting people, especially young adults in prison for essintially atrotious behavior, I find that to be distrubing. Its bad law as far as I am concerend, from what it tries to punish to its construction.
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