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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.

    So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:

    1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
    2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
    3) How does that suicidal person feel?
    4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?

    Let's start there and see how you all do.
    Oh boy a quiz!!!!

    1) The person committing the suicide is responsible for the suicide.
    2) A suicidal person is usually someone who suffers from some form of depression. Sometimes this person has found themselves in a situation for which they feel they can not recover. Im having a hard time answering this question without using some of my answers for the next question. So I'll just move on... (lol)
    3) A suicidal person often feels a great deal of anxiety about the future for which they have led themselves to believe that the only way to fix the problem is through a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Sometimes the person feels that their death will cause grief to others who they blame for their state of mind, and it is their way of getting back at the people who put them in their situation. Sometimes a suicidal person cannot fathom or accept the upcoming consequences of their actions and would rather be dead then endure the punishment. The level of anxiety that a suicidal person feels over many levels of social interaction makes them feel as if they would rather be dead than face people, which is often why they hide themselves away.
    4) Often times suicidal people lose trust with everyone. They believe their problems are too great for anyone to help them with. They believe that nobody WANTS to help them, they believe they cannot be helped regardless, in some cases they don't want help (because they want those who they feel are responsible for their depression to suffer)..... I could think of some other stuff maybe...

    How am I doing? Probably not too good.

    I keep trying to think of points from the many "Suicide Prevention and Awareness" training courses I have had to take over my time in both the military and law enforcement.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I simply asked you a question based on your claim. I never made any derogatory claims about you or your parenting.

    The bottom line is that unless this 15 year-old girl can be COMPLETELY and TOTALLY resposible for ALL of her own actions....then SOMEONE......SOMEWHERE has to accept at least SOME tiniest degree of responsibility for what she became and what she did. To completely place all the blame for this tragedy on the back of a confused and hurting child is just plain WRONG.

    Why is this so hard to admit? And you did not answer my question......if this had been your daughter who lacked socialization and consistently made poor choices.....would you feel ANY responsibility at all? I would......I admitted that. She was a KID for God's sake. Aren't we supposed to be protecting the weak? Hasn't humanity at least evolved this much? I give up......"sighs"...
    You are confusing responsibilities here.

    Her responsibility.
    The families responsibility.
    And criminal responsibility.

    The harasser is only responsible for his actions of harassment.
    And that is what this discussion has centered around.
    And his action are far removed from her decision to off herself.
    Why you do not recognize that, and instead try to conflate the issue with these other responsibilities that in no way relieve her of her responsibility, is beyond me.

    She is responsible for her death, not someone else.




    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Come on now......I could never imagine you involved in such a scheme.
    Way to ignore and deflect away from the meat of his message.
    The stats you provided, as they are, are really not applicable to this discussion.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I will put a hypothetical to you;

    what if a father (who is a cop) rapes his 8 year old child every day for 4 years. Finally, the child takes her own life because she cannot see any other way to stop him from raping her.

    Now is he morally responsible at all for her suicide?

    Yes or no?
    Figures!
    A hypothetical that has nothing to do with this topic.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Why are people who see no problem and accept no responsibility for our children nagging and harrassing those of us who do?
    I appears that you have the roles reversed, especially when one examines the record.

    Heck, see the following for an example.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    But this OldWorldOrder and Excon? They both clearly seem to want us to continue to feed our kids to marauding adults for sport, and that enthusiasm for the "right" to drive a child to suicide is nothing short of repugnant.
    Why do you continually misrepresent a person's position?
    Do you get some kind of enjoyment out of it?
    Does it make you feel better about the position you hold or something?
    Or is this just the way you try and bully others?

    It is your actions in doing so that is repugnant!

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    The child tried for FOUR YEARS to escape this predator and when she could not, she died. Saying this was a "good result" is so vile, I hardly know what to call it.

    Even the customers of child sex workers would find it hard to bless snuffing kids, I think.
    And there in lays the part of the problem.
    You do not have your facts straight.



    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    YMy point was more toward this idea that since the bully didn't actually murder the kid, the bully was not at allresponsible.

    There was a case that has been referenced in this thread, where there was a nurse (I forget the name of this person) who went on suicide chat rooms and convinced people to commit suicide, provide ways to commit suicide, lied about joining suicide pacts, and watched as these people committed suicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't have all the facts, but unless something emerged to change my mind, I'd certainly convict on a homicide charge. Probably not Murder One or Two; but manslaughter/negligent homicide?

    Absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    That's why it should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

    In reply to all of the above quotes.

    ... do you realize that his harassment was far removed in time from her decision to kill herself.
    And that what was bothering her at the time was the following.


    "A guy then yelled, 'Just punch her already,' so [the girlfriend] did," Todd wrote. "She threw me to the ground and punched me several times. Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground."

    Todd said she "wanted to die so bad" when her dad found her in a ditch. She drank bleach when she went home and had to be rushed to the hospital to have her stomach pumped, she said.

    "After I got home, all I saw was on Facebook--'She deserved it. Did you wash the mud out of your hair? I hope she's dead,'" she wrote.

    Bullied Teen Amanda Todd Leaves Behind Chilling YouTube Video - ABC News


    The guys actions were far removed from her decision.
    And not once in "you all's" haste to blood, have any of you tried to say the assaulter and her posse' is responsible. Have you?
    It is always the guy who's actions are far removed in time.

    Sorry. But claiming anybody is responsible besides Amanda, is a ridiculous claim.
    The only one responsible is her. No one else.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I'd just like to point out the thing about annon finding the guy out I think I made the point before I admire them for most of their hacking as most of it is for the greater good.
    Really?
    Anonymous doesn't even know if they have the right person and you think they did a greater good and admire them?
    Wow!

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Most, if not all suicides are a tragedy.

    Recognize that.
    Actually that is based on a personal perception.


    Objectively? Unless an unstable person somehow benefits society more than they are a detriment to it, Society is better off with their absence.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.

    So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:

    1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
    2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
    3) How does that suicidal person feel?
    4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?

    Let's start there and see how you all do.
    Let me be succinct.

    #1 It is the person committing the act.
    #2 They don't care.
    #3 They don't care.
    #4 They didn't care.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    i wish i were there to help her...................
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I don't think many of you know the pain of being completely outcast in such a way. I was bullied my entire life by kids, and then family, and even teachers. I didn't become stronger, just a social outcast who can't hold a job because I can't relate to people. I remember going numb at one point in order to feel something other than pain.

    I didn't cry, laugh, yell, or have any emotions for a year or more because the depression was so bad. I made imaginary worlds where people cared about me and daydreamed constantly, playing with pencils and ppper in 7th grade and making up new worlds. I knew not to talk to kids or sit with anyone at lunch from elementary to 8th grade. If I hadn't made my imaginary world and immersed myself in both my studies and writting, I wouldn't have made it through. I can't look back on that time to draw strength.from it and wish my childhood had been different everyday. It caused me PTSD and chronic insomnia (as I write I haven't slept in 2 days). Yeah she chose to take her own life, but as a child, it was someone elses responsibility to protect her, when she couldn't protect herself.

    This isn't a temporary problem. I'm living proof i' can affect your whole life into adulthood.

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