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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    No the world is not a better place with her in the ground. You want more girls to follow her example by committing suicide?
    Girls like her, yes, I do.

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    Really?
    Really.

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    Isn't that a little uncalled for?
    You know, I've never understood that expression. Does it come from a sport?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    A little harsh dont you think? Your business what you want write, but your starting to look like a ....... well lets just say that your not presenting yourself in the best light. Ease up shes dead. Its not like she shot your dog.
    What do you care? Did you know her?

    What do I care about what you or anyone on this website think about anything I say? I don't any of you.

    When people stop sympathizing for these whores who off themselves for attention, then I'll stop representing the other side for balance. This chick wasn't innocent, she was a whore. She wasn't alone, she had a lot of friends and support. We who are called 'we' will make an example of her so that others understand how they will be mocked should they do something stupid like this.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

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    Girls like her, yes, I do.
    The fact that you want other girls, like, her, to commit suicide is sickening, regardless of the reasoning.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The fact that you want other girls, like, her, to commit suicide is sickening, regardless of the reasoning.
    Well I would help but I'd end up in jail, so they're gona have to go it alone. I sure as hell wouldn't put a cup of bleach in front of her. There are humane ways to put down a human but that's not it.

    So, what does "that's uncalled for" mean?

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    Ahh it has to do with a water bringing a food item to the table that wasn't ordered. Well champ, I'm not waiting on you, so that was an arrogant thing for you to say. I'm not here to serve you or fill your order. You got something you didn't ask for...so the **** what?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well I would help but I'd end up in jail, so they're gona have to go it alone. I sure as hell wouldn't put a cup of bleach in front of her. There are humane ways to put down a human but that's not it.

    So, what does "that's uncalled for" mean?

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    Ahh it has to do with a water bringing a food item to the table that wasn't ordered. Well champ, I'm not waiting on you, so that was an arrogant thing for you to say. I'm not here to serve you or fill your order. You got something you didn't ask for...so the **** what?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What do you care? Did you know her?

    What do I care about what you or anyone on this website think about anything I say? I don't any of you.

    When people stop sympathizing for these whores who off themselves for attention, then I'll stop representing the other side for balance. This chick wasn't innocent, she was a whore. She wasn't alone, she had a lot of friends and support. We who are called 'we' will make an example of her so that others understand how they will be mocked should they do something stupid like this.
    Jerry I like you. We've had our battles, but you seem a bit pissy tonight. I aint trying to piss you off. I am just pointing out your kinda heated with this. Normaly you you come about with lots quotes and facts and stuff. Tonight seems different for some reason. For your information I dont have a dog in this fight. Check out some of my previous posts on this thread and you'll see where I am comming from. Cheers.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.

    So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:

    1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
    2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
    3) How does that suicidal person feel?
    4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?

    Let's start there and see how you all do.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Interesting.

    I wonder how many dozens of parents that i knew for a fact were lousy parents stated they were great parents?

    Probably one or two dozen.

    Just sayin'...


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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.

    So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:
    First time posting in the thread as well - I got a few pages in then skipped to the end, so apologies if I repeat anything that's been said already. The below is my (partly-rambling) thoughts on the topic, some of which I'm forming as I write this, and aren't aimed at anyone in particular (though a few seem to richly deserve it).

    1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
    Tricky question. The 'simple' answer is that everyone is responsible for their own actions, so the suicidee is responsible. However... it occurs to me that suicide is a major symptom of fairly traumatic depression, which is a mental illness, and those who suffer from mental illnesses have diminished responsibilty, depending on the severity of the illness (and to be so depressed as to commit suicide indicates pretty severe depression, by my reckoning!). As such, responsibility would at the very least be shared by others - those who caused the depression to occur in the first place, and those who allowed it to continue and worsen to such a degree that the outcome was suicide, even after (apparently) a previous failed attempt. Legally, I'd imagine that the blow would fall hardest on parents/social workers/school/those with legal responsibilities for the person. Ethically, I'd also point the finger at the hundreds of people who unknowingly (or worse, deliberately) contributed to the depression.

    2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
    At a guess... it depends. They could be obvious (clear mood swings, unexpected tears/outbursts, a shift in personality (especially from introvert to extravert or vice versa), self-harming) but I'd suspect that they could also be hidden entirely to the casual observer. I teach in a secondary school (age 11-18) in a large city in the UK, and several of our pupils are treated for one disorder or another - and it's not always obvious who.

    3) How does that suicidal person feel?
    Again, a pooly-educated guess, but... hopeless - and feeling as if they have no alternatives. Not seeing the point in continuing; no light at the end of the tunnel.

    4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?
    Because they don't believe it exists, or will work.

    NB: I'd also differentiate between those who threaten suicide and those who are genuinely suicidal. The two groups most certainly overlap, but there are also indiviuals whom only one apply to - and by treating both groups as the same, we either alienate or coddle those who only fit into one (and try to score cheap points on debate forums, it seems).

    NB2: For those who have never come across it, I'd strongly recomend watching the original play of An Inspector Calls (there is a film adaption, but it's not as good - nor is the more jazzed up version of the play which has become famous. The wiki summary is fairly good, but nowhere near as pogniant!). It's shamelessly socialist at times, and no doubt some will use that to critique it's message, but it has some points to make on suicide as well. It's certainly influenced what I've written here.

    Let's start there and see how you all do. .
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I simply asked you a question based on your claim. I never made any derogatory claims about you or your parenting.

    The bottom line is that unless this 15 year-old girl can be COMPLETELY and TOTALLY resposible for ALL of her own actions....then SOMEONE......SOMEWHERE has to accept at least SOME tiniest degree of responsibility for what she became and what she did. To completely place all the blame for this tragedy on the back of a confused and hurting child is just plain WRONG.
    No. Its not. A parent cannot be present with a child to prevent them from killing themselves 24/7. They have to sleep.... they have to take care of other obligations and responsibilities. Someone has to cook.... someone has to go get the ****ing mail, etc. If a teen does not COMMUNICATE how he or she is feeling, then how is a parent to know what the **** is going on? Yes, she attempted suicide a few times..... does that mean you keep her on permenant lockdown until she turns 18 so that you don't have to be accused of being responsible for the suicide? Wouldn't that be counter productive? Wouldn't that make her threaten suicide MORE if you kept her locked down? I don't seem to understand where you are getting at. She said in her OWN VIDEO that she was on medication, anti-depressants. You don't just show up at the pharmacy and BUY that **** off the shelf. You have to have a prescription, in order to have a prescription, you have to see a "doctor". A 15 year old can't just go waltz into a doctor's office on her own. Hmmm... Sounds to me like a parent was involved.

    The decision to kill ones self isn't always a years long "struggle" that someone finally succumbed to. You haven't the slightest clue how sudden the decision was, based on the twitter feedback I've seen in those slideshows on this article, it would appear several young ladies considered themselves friends with her, and seemed to be surprised by this action as well.

    If a teen is depressed and refuses to talk to their parents about it, they can up and decide to kill themselves in the time it takes mom to run to the store and pick up a ****ing loaf of bread. You tell me how mom is responsible for that decision.



    Why is this so hard to admit? And you did not answer my question......if this had been your daughter who lacked socialization and consistently made poor choices.....would you feel ANY responsibility at all?
    It would depend on what I had tried to do to change that. You can't FORCE people to change. You can't force people to tell you how they feel or what they are going through. I would feel bad, but I've worked enough with suicides to know that it was not my responsibility. I didn't do it, and as long as I tried, I wouldn't blame myself for what happened.
    She was a KID for God's sake.
    Only because society has gone soft. 15 year olds were marrying and having children, fighting wars, ruling lands and estates, and many other things several hundred years ago.
    Aren't we supposed to be protecting the weak?
    They are only weak because the way we run society makes them weak. We coddle them instead of forcing them to mature.
    Hasn't humanity at least evolved this much?
    I'd say in this regard it has devolved.
    I give up......"sighs"...
    Then I guess you do.
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