What do I care about what you or anyone on this website think about anything I say? I don't any of you.
When people stop sympathizing for these whores who off themselves for attention, then I'll stop representing the other side for balance. This chick wasn't innocent, she was a whore. She wasn't alone, she had a lot of friends and support. We who are called 'we' will make an example of her so that others understand how they will be mocked should they do something stupid like this.
So, what does "that's uncalled for" mean?
Ahh it has to do with a water bringing a food item to the table that wasn't ordered. Well champ, I'm not waiting on you, so that was an arrogant thing for you to say. I'm not here to serve you or fill your order. You got something you didn't ask for...so the **** what?
Semper Fidelis, Semper Liber.
Stolen fair and square from the Capt. Courtesey himself.I spit at lots of people through my computer screen. Not only does it "teach them a lesson" but it keeps the screen clean and shiny.
I've tried to avoid this thread because I knew if I read it, what I'd find. And a brief scan proved me correct: a complete lack of education and knowledge regarding suicide by some members of this message board.
So, here's a little quiz for you all... and consider that I did my graduate school final paper on suicide (similar to a dissertation, but not one), so I am eminently qualified to determine whether you are accurate or not:
1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
3) How does that suicidal person feel?
4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?
Let's start there and see how you all do.
Last edited by CaptainCourtesy; 10-17-12 at 04:30 AM.
"Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run
Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.
Tricky question. The 'simple' answer is that everyone is responsible for their own actions, so the suicidee is responsible. However... it occurs to me that suicide is a major symptom of fairly traumatic depression, which is a mental illness, and those who suffer from mental illnesses have diminished responsibilty, depending on the severity of the illness (and to be so depressed as to commit suicide indicates pretty severe depression, by my reckoning!). As such, responsibility would at the very least be shared by others - those who caused the depression to occur in the first place, and those who allowed it to continue and worsen to such a degree that the outcome was suicide, even after (apparently) a previous failed attempt. Legally, I'd imagine that the blow would fall hardest on parents/social workers/school/those with legal responsibilities for the person. Ethically, I'd also point the finger at the hundreds of people who unknowingly (or worse, deliberately) contributed to the depression.1) What person is responsible for the suicide?
At a guess... it depends. They could be obvious (clear mood swings, unexpected tears/outbursts, a shift in personality (especially from introvert to extravert or vice versa), self-harming) but I'd suspect that they could also be hidden entirely to the casual observer. I teach in a secondary school (age 11-18) in a large city in the UK, and several of our pupils are treated for one disorder or another - and it's not always obvious who.2) What are the characteristics of a suicidal person?
Again, a pooly-educated guess, but... hopeless - and feeling as if they have no alternatives. Not seeing the point in continuing; no light at the end of the tunnel.3) How does that suicidal person feel?
Because they don't believe it exists, or will work.4) For one who completes a suicide, why would that person have not asked for help?
NB: I'd also differentiate between those who threaten suicide and those who are genuinely suicidal. The two groups most certainly overlap, but there are also indiviuals whom only one apply to - and by treating both groups as the same, we either alienate or coddle those who only fit into one (and try to score cheap points on debate forums, it seems).
NB2: For those who have never come across it, I'd strongly recomend watching the original play of An Inspector Calls (there is a film adaption, but it's not as good - nor is the more jazzed up version of the play which has become famous. The wiki summary is fairly good, but nowhere near as pogniant!). It's shamelessly socialist at times, and no doubt some will use that to critique it's message, but it has some points to make on suicide as well. It's certainly influenced what I've written here.
How did I do?Let's start there and see how you all do. .
The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett
The decision to kill ones self isn't always a years long "struggle" that someone finally succumbed to. You haven't the slightest clue how sudden the decision was, based on the twitter feedback I've seen in those slideshows on this article, it would appear several young ladies considered themselves friends with her, and seemed to be surprised by this action as well.
If a teen is depressed and refuses to talk to their parents about it, they can up and decide to kill themselves in the time it takes mom to run to the store and pick up a ****ing loaf of bread. You tell me how mom is responsible for that decision.
It would depend on what I had tried to do to change that. You can't FORCE people to change. You can't force people to tell you how they feel or what they are going through. I would feel bad, but I've worked enough with suicides to know that it was not my responsibility. I didn't do it, and as long as I tried, I wouldn't blame myself for what happened.Why is this so hard to admit? And you did not answer my question......if this had been your daughter who lacked socialization and consistently made poor choices.....would you feel ANY responsibility at all?
Only because society has gone soft. 15 year olds were marrying and having children, fighting wars, ruling lands and estates, and many other things several hundred years ago.She was a KID for God's sake.They are only weak because the way we run society makes them weak. We coddle them instead of forcing them to mature.Aren't we supposed to be protecting the weak?
I'd say in this regard it has devolved.Hasn't humanity at least evolved this much?Then I guess you do.I give up......"sighs"...