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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I assumed it was not directed at me.

    And I am sure you are right that it was not such a good idea.

    But I thought it needed to be said anyway.


    Thanks for the heads up anyway though.
    Reason I say this is I didn't see you initiate any "personal" attacks or flaming in this thread, but I have seen it from "other" (intentionally singular)
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    YMy point was more toward this idea that since the bully didn't actually murder the kid, the bully was not at allresponsible.
    A bully is not responsible for a suicide. That would be murder. Since we're calling the the person a "bully" and not a "murderer", this means even you already agree that a bully is not responsible for a suicide.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No one said that. They're responsible for whatever stalking, harassment, and assault they perpetuated. But this girl committed suicide and that's on her.



    Maybe she's be guilty of stalking, I dunno. She could've easily been found guilty of harassment. Beyond that? Nah.
    Just to be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder or should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Right. What did Charles Manson go prison for?
    Several counts of Murder One, by conspiracy. He was sentenced to death and only given LWOP when the Supreme Court found the death penalty statute of several states, including California, unconstitutional.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I don't think the warning was directed to you.....and I don't think your reply here was such a good idea.
    I am trying to find the fricken statistics online is starting to be a pain in my butt. I want something from the journels and everything I come across doesnt have the raw data like total deaths ect. What the hell is wrong with the phyciatric communitie dont they know how to publish raw data so others can examine the work?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Just be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder, who should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.
    I don't have all the facts, but unless something emerged to change my mind, I'd certainly convict on a homicide charge. Probably not Murder One or Two; but manslaughter/negligent homicide?

    Absolutely.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A bully is not responsible for a suicide. That would be murder. Since we're calling the the person a "bully" and not a "murderer", this means even you already agree that a bully is not responsible for a suicide.
    A bully CAN be responsible for a suicide and it DOES NOT have to be murder. There is also a "civil" side to the law. People are routinely sued for "wrongful death" and judgements are rendered against them. This may be one of those cases.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am trying to find the fricken statistics online is starting to be a pain in my butt. I want something from the journels and everything I come across doesnt have the raw data like total deaths ect. What the hell is wrong with the phyciatric communitie dont they know how to publish raw data so others can examine the work?
    I'm sorry, Pirate. Fluffy has some I can give you now; my daughter did her thesis on cyberbullying between children, and may have more. I'm not sure she tracked incidents of adults bullying kids.

    Lemme give you that link:


    Bullying and Suicide - Bullying Statistics

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    A bully CAN be responsible for a suicide and it DOES NOT have to be murder. There is also a "civil" side to the law. People are routinely sued for "wrongful death" and judgements are rendered against them. This may be one of those cases.
    Well, true. Every crime is also a tort -- but what parent wants money as opposed to a prison sentence when some evil adult has driven their kid into the ground?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Just to be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder or should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.
    The bully is responsible for whatever is encompassed in harassment and stalking laws. What are they responsible for beyond that?
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