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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Teach children in school that the internet is not their friend and that if you do anything stupid and put it on the internet, it will always be there.

    Aside from that all you can do is hope that parents do a better job of raising their children well. Enforcing "draconian laws" vs bullying will only hurt all the children.
    It is not enough.

    Giving would-be bullies something to truly fear... is.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.

    What do you think ought to be done?
    beyond education and parental involvement, im not sure.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.

    I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
    What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.
    I agree with Verthaine and Maggie

    There is "normal" bullyiing like what most of us went through and then there is what she had to deal with. They are 180 degrees apart. I am talking from personal (my sons) experiencs. Anyone who says they are the same needs to get up off their arm chair.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not enough.

    Giving would-be bullies something to truly fear... is.
    So your solution implies traumatizing children? Way to go...

    How does that work? You will purposefully, institutionally violate the civil rights, the children rights and traumatize some children in order to make sure that those children will not do the same to other children? Do you understand what the difference between having the GOVERNMENT, an institution doing that sort of thing and having CHILDREN or private citizens do that sort of thing. One is tyranny, the other is kids being kids.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    In some jurisdiction there are laws regarding this behavior requiring the school personnel to act.. Massachusetts Law About Bullying and CyberBullying

    Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota. Bullying at that level by teacher or student activates and immediate intervention. By teachers in some of these states it results in dismissal and possible jail time
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not enough.

    Giving would-be bullies something to truly fear... is.
    Read post 47.

    Heres an ironic question, isnt what you are proposing, itself a form of bulling? Heres another one, what excactly IS bulling?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Ummm.Okay?
    Good for you.
    Whether and who you have or haven't any sympathy for is your concern,not mine.
    All I did was point out that there are people out there whose actions and words apparently influenced her decision to take her own life.
    If you chose not to hold them partially responsible ,that of course is your right.
    I choose to do otherwise.
    Like I said on a previous post,I think what this child need was help and understanding during her life,not conde,nation after her death.
    But hey,that's just my opinion.
    Also, The idea of only you can make you mad is a psychological falasy. No one stands alone in how they "decide" how to react. External forces constantly bombard our persception of reality and ourselves. High levels of one type stimuli will result in a specific response 100% of the time. Negative high levels will be internalized and result in a fuge perception (Stockholm Syndrome).
    The response is hightened also if the person is not mature enough to properly evaluate it.

    In English - She responded to her environment and the forces that werer impacting her.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    So your solution implies traumatizing children? Way to go...

    How does that work? You will purposefully, institutionally violate the civil rights, the children rights and traumatize some children in order to make sure that those children will not do the same to other children? Do you understand what the difference between having the GOVERNMENT, an institution doing that sort of thing and having CHILDREN or private citizens do that sort of thing. One is tyranny, the other is kids being kids.
    No, please don't try to desensationalize what I'm saying, in order to defend these bullies. Don't you use "children" in place of "bullies," and don't use "traumatize" instead of "punish." I'm all for honest and open discussion, but at the mere hint of spin, well, it's like trying to sneak a raw New York Steak strip past a tiger.

    Maybe not prison, but how about jail? I have no problem with these cowardly little ***** being thrown in jail for a year or two if their bullying directly contributed to a person's suicide. A year or two in jail is nothing compared to a life lost as a result of constant misery.

    You know what? Scratch that. I've had enough of these pieces of festering ****. Make these bullies (IDGAF how old) a piece of the pie. Give 'em a piece of misery, too, in jail, and let them feel some sense of fear and a desire to die. What's that? Don't twaumatize these poor wittle inncoent babies to make sure their utter bull**** doesn't claim another young life, by scaring the bejesus out of them? Ha! Scare the little bastards. Make them stop!

    Lol you gotta love this. "Kids being kids." Hey, do you hear yourself right now? "Bullying until some poor soul kills herself..." and "kids be kids." No, my firend, NO. Making a kid's life an utter ****ing Hell until she kills herself is NOT and never WILL BE "kids being kids." No, that's being an utterly rotten little piece of **** that needs to be taught a lesson. Make that little punk into an example.

    Do NOT protect bullies in my presence and expect to be taken seriously. Enough damage has already been done.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is not enough.

    Giving would-be bullies something to truly fear... is.
    somehow i feel this would be sinking to the bullies level i mean if you honestly believe for one second they actual thought she would kill her self then you MIGHT be validated but i don't see how they could actual see the full effect of what they were doing tell it was too late. kids and teens can be some of the cruelest people out there because of the simple fact that they cannot fully realize the consequences of there actions. The people who should bear the weight of responsibility should be the many adults surrounding the situation and failed to prevent it.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I'm sorry but only one person is responsible for this suicide.
    Are you nuts?

    My brother killed himself because he was molested and abused and mistreated and ultimately felt unloved and unworthy of life (imo).

    He did not create those feelings...they were forced into his brain by others through selfish and hideously cruel acts.


    Based on what this women says she went through (I have seen this story before reading it here), she went through a personal Hell.

    If you remove all reason for someone to want to live anymore. If you abuse someone SO badly that you remove all feelings of joy inside them and replace them with nothing but pain and suffering and emptiness and confusion to such an extent that life itself is excruciating...then it is your fault for infecting that person with this misery through your actions.


    She did not end her life. Her life ended when the last person to abuse her took the last bit of hope left in her lonely, teenaged heart.
    She just turned off the lights, the party was already over.


    When animals are in constant pain, we shoot them and call it 'kind'.

    But when humans are in agony - they must endure it for decades and generations just because of some idiotic standard.


    It is so sad that only in death did this girl find caring and compassion from others - others whom she never met who are genuinely saddened by the pain and loneliness she suffered.
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