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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    In my opinion, the problem is that kids are learning all of life's lessons from each other. It's the blind leading the blind. They need better role models, and the school system can't provide that. We need to integrate them in to adult society a lot better.

    I just started another thread on this in the "polls" section. Let me hear your thoughts over there.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    No please read my post towards the end. If the mindset of the society is set in one direction they will elect persons who are or say they are aligned with that society and the system that the elected officials manage will be in line with that mindset.
    The teachers here did what they did because they knew and have known for many years that NOTHING would happen to them and their bosses had thier backs all the way up. (as i said).
    In other places such as Michigan, their actions would have resulted in at least the teachers and possibly others getting fired or arrested.
    It is not a function of the schools. Private schools have the same issues in some places. It is a matter of the mindset of the public who allows these things to happen and continually elects people who think this type behavior is permissable.
    change the system to support childrens rights to not being harrassed and you change the schools mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Hence, the problem. she gave up.

    I cannot take the side of people who commit suicide. I do not take the side of people who push people to consider such a drastic decision either.
    Exactly!

    If you're going to get past the bullying crap you have to deal with it head on and let the bully know that what they're doing is of no consequence to you. Sometimes it requires fighting back physically and some times intellectually but it ALWAYS requires standing up for yourself. That's where the parents failed. They just kept on moving the kid around instead of helping her address the issue directly. When kids do stupid things they need to know that they have to take their licks but that the stupid thing doesn't define them and that it will eventually be a part of their past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In my opinion, the problem is that kids are learning all of life's lessons from each other. It's the blind leading the blind. They need better role models, and the school system can't provide that. We need to integrate them in to adult society a lot better.

    I just started another thread on this in the "polls" section. Let me hear your thoughts over there.
    Kids learning from each other is nothing new. That's been going on forever. The part that was missing was a parental figure to help her sort through the stuff she had learned and separate the bull**** from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.

    I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
    What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.
    did you... bother to read everything?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Having watched this video in its entirety...

    ...something got changed on the inside.

    These people were so cruel. Why? Why so cruel? What is wrong with them? Why won't they stop?

    This is just sad. No one should have to deal with this. Lock these people away in prison for what they've contributed to.

    Put away your callusness. Condemn them for what they've done. Save this video as a lesson, a reminder, of how wicked people can be.

    Having viewed this video my emotions decided that it wouldn't be that bad to see these wicked people brutally murdered. It's not as though they really deserve to live, right? But as soon as those emotions boiled up they receded. Mothers and fathers. Love your daughters. Protect them. Cherish them. Fight for them. Do not let the law stop you from doing what must be done, if necessary. If you see the warning signs, do what you must to save your child. If it means using your intelligence to put the fear of death into some devil, do it. Have no regrets. Do not ever back down. Do not ever let this happen to your little ones.

    Do not forget what happened to this young woman. Remember it. Let it influence your life every single day in some way. Let it remind you of how cruel some people can be, and why there must be changes. measures taken, to combat this horrifc bullying.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is why public schools are garbage, and private schools are a LOT better.
    That is not a solution. Bullies come in all shapes, sizes, colors, social economic backgrounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Those who acted against her as described should be charged for their crimes. It is that simple.
    Connery normally I agree with you, this case I dont. I've been the victom of "bullying" when I was growing up. I was short and an easy target and not very human savy. It sucked. Bad. But looking back several decades removed, that merciless pumiling and humiliation made me much more resiliant and tougher. I still aint very human savy, but now I am a Timex watch I take a lickin and still keep on ticken. People call me all sorts of names, and say things about my mama that I know aint true. It dont phase me one bit, if I even notice. If some one wants to get physical, they can do their worst, because I will most certainly do my best to my worst. I may lose and badly, but they will KNOW tangling with me will cost MUCH more then they care to pay. I pride my self in charging confiscatory rates for the privaledge of kicking my ass. My currency is blood and parts.

    Life is misery on top of pain, wrapped in suckiness. What makes it worth living is the good and great moments that you occasionally experiance, and that makes the pain worth it. Point is whether we like it or not bulling is part of life and is how those of us that dont have naturally good social skills learn to cope and survive and prevail. It is nessary to experiance humiliation, pain, and suffering because it is how we develope empathy, self reliance, and toughness all important skills and attributes to help us better cope with the cold, cast iron, cruel bitch that life can be. It is also how we learn to take the bad in life and try to make it good or at least livable. While I hated every bloody second of my torture, I would NOT give even one second back if I could. I learned how to stand up for myself and how to be a man. I would have never done that if I wasnt bullied. Its been a looonnng time since I have been bullied in any significant way but I still remember it quite clearly and very much remember the lessons I was taught. I feel for the young girl, and family and loved ones, her death while tragic does provide inportant life lessons for those who were around her and for society at large. It is sad that this is so, but it is a part of life. He did not cause her death, she is wholely reasonsible for that, the price entirely too high, but he did contribute to her misery. I dont know for certain about the way the bully feels, but I know this, he will probabaly regret that he did what he did till the day he dies even though he did not directly kill her.

    People will agree or disagree with what I wrote, it matters not to me, the reason I wrote it was I felt it needed to be said. As far as those who claim a crime has been commited, I say this. You are fools. This is a tragedy, a distraught girl took her own life. Those who said unkind and demeaning things while cruel, and capricious in their actions and words, did nothing criminal. This is a tragedy nothing more.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post

    Let it influence your life every single day in some way. Let it remind you of how cruel some people can be, and why there must be changes. measures taken, to combat this horrifc bullying.
    Absolutely! Im in the middle of adopting a girl, and believe me, after reading this story/video, im really concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Absolutely! Im in the middle of adopting a girl, and believe me, after reading this story/video, im really concerned.
    I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.

    What do you think ought to be done?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.

    What do you think ought to be done?
    Teach children in school that the internet is not their friend and that if you do anything stupid and put it on the internet, it will always be there.

    Aside from that all you can do is hope that parents do a better job of raising their children well. Enforcing "draconian laws" vs bullying will only hurt all the children.

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