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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    And you know, that is the sickest part. Hey! Somebody is literally getting beat to death. ****ing do something. I do not understand why people will stand around and not help. I think people who stand by and do nothing are just as good as accessories to murder.
    It's called the "bystander effect". The more bystanders there are, the less likely that intervention will occur.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    The particular shaming techniques are usually different for boys, yes. Most involve accusations that they are gay.

    But the use of shame is the same on either gender.

    I don't have any issue with exploring the impact of bullicide on boys v. girls, as long as we agree that all kids deserve protection.

    I agree that all do. That said, the type of bullying indicated here is generally more directed at girls than boys.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Two little girls are among many changing their clothes at school, after a gym class. One photos the other whilst naked and sends that photo to almost the entire school, where it is in turn sent to the net and can never be retrieved.

    Using the "no new laws" motif, the 9 year old photographer is a child pornographer and a sex criminal, for life -- which is about the amount of prison time we routinely impose on such criminals.

    I'm thinking you realize that we need new laws, and that what we all want is to preserve our freedom as far as possible.

    I don't need the "freedom of speech" to mentally dominate a child and drive that child to suicide -- do you? I don't need the freedom of speech to entice a child to take photos of her naked body and email them to me -- do you? I don't need the freedom of speech to entice a child to do live sex shows on the net -- do you?

    We are not considering criminalizing new behaviors, Pirate. We are considering criminalizing the most serious offenses any adult can commit, short of murder, by a new mechanism. If that adult could not speak as he did face to face to your child, why should we immunize his speech when he does so over the net?

    (The story of the two little 9 year old girls is a true one, BTW. I can find a link to the news story, if anyone wants it.)

    I read the law Pinkie, that law is simple, I like simple laws, however it is not specificic enough and more importantly as such a potential for misuse as to outweigh any good it may do. I also have a fundmental objection to new laws simply because we have too many of them as is now. That objection is not my primary one. My primary objection is that THIS law, which you want me to support, regulates speech. Thats the way I read it. It scares the bloody hell out me, to think that members of congress think it is constitutional. It is not.

    Why is it that children are absolved of their cupability in these situtations? Why are they on the internet unsupervised in the first place? ALL of my familiy makes sure to supervise internet usage and has time logged password access and filtering software and monitoring software to review what sites were visited, not to mention the computer be it a laptop in most cases is located in the living rooms or dens of the houses. Mental domination? Really? What I have to say about that is unprintable. Children with unsupervised cameras? Really? You think stupid cant come out that combo? Live sex shows? Unsupervised internet access for a nine year old, that will end well, yep. You know what I notice with all of these examples? Lack of supervision. Children being children, WILL do stupid things, it what children do. It is ineveitable. If their parents dont realize this, those poor children are screwed. Yes I know parents cant be everywhere, nor would I expect them to be. The cases you presented are very preventable.

    Like I said there are evil mother****ers out there. There is no way we will be able to find or lock all of them up. That said it is incumbant upon the parents to teach their child right and wrong and strength in the face of evil. There is no way to expect them to perform perfectly, they are children they have little experiance at life. All we can do is hope they can recognise the situation they are in and do what they need to to do. That lack of experiance makes them vunerable to predetors with decades on them.

    This law is knee jerk. It is NOT sound.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I guess I'm pro-bullying?

    Oh well.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Nothing like a few people trying to cause a stir by taking a controversial position.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Is it really controversial to say that it sucks that the girl decided to do this, but we can't all collapse when people say things that we don't like?

    Maybe it's the military in me, but people are going to be put under pressure and you can't shrink in the face of it.

    Or, conversely, I can say that your sarcasm is bullying and report you to the authorities. Wouldn't that be a nice little world?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sure enough...still more excuses.

    Excon cannot even answer either 'y' or 'n' to a simple question.

    Noted.

    I will let others decide for themselves why he won't answer.
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    Excuses? No. I gave you a reason. There is a difference.
    You already know the circumstance in which I will answer your question. And it isn't even hard for you to provide.
    But instead of doing so, and receiving my answer, you want to cry about.

    All you are now doing is wasting your breath with all this crying.
    And showing all that you will cry because I wont answer your non-bearing and ridiculous hypothetical.


    As I already told you, my position on answering is not going to change.
    Did you have problems understanding that?
    Do you need someone else to interpret my words for you?

    You already know the circumstances under which I will answer your question, no matter how much you cry and harp about it.
    So provide it or push on.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I read the law Pinkie, that law is simple, I like simple laws, however it is not specificic enough and more importantly as such a potential for misuse as to outweigh any good it may do. I also have a fundmental objection to new laws simply because we have too many of them as is now. That objection is not my primary one. My primary objection is that THIS law, which you want me to support, regulates speech. Thats the way I read it. It scares the bloody hell out me, to think that members of congress think it is constitutional. It is not.

    Why is it that children are absolved of their cupability in these situtations? Why are they on the internet unsupervised in the first place? ALL of my familiy makes sure to supervise internet usage and has time logged password access and filtering software and monitoring software to review what sites were visited, not to mention the computer be it a laptop in most cases is located in the living rooms or dens of the houses. Mental domination? Really? What I have to say about that is unprintable. Children with unsupervised cameras? Really? You think stupid cant come out that combo? Live sex shows? Unsupervised internet access for a nine year old, that will end well, yep. You know what I notice with all of these examples? Lack of supervision. Children being children, WILL do stupid things, it what children do. It is ineveitable. If their parents dont realize this, those poor children are screwed. Yes I know parents cant be everywhere, nor would I expect them to be. The cases you presented are very preventable.

    Like I said there are evil mother****ers out there. There is no way we will be able to find or lock all of them up. That said it is incumbant upon the parents to teach their child right and wrong and strength in the face of evil. There is no way to expect them to perform perfectly, they are children they have little experiance at life. All we can do is hope they can recognise the situation they are in and do what they need to to do. That lack of experiance makes them vunerable to predetors with decades on them.

    This law is knee jerk. It is NOT sound.
    You could keep your computer in the living room and observe your child using it -- some cases like this have occurred -- and still lose that child to bullicide, Pirate.

    We criminalize all sorts of speech: soliciting a bribe, defrauding by a confidence game, espionage, conspiracy to murder, etc. The mere fact that we want to criminalize speech isn't the problem; it's making sure we do this is in the least restrictive way possible.

    BUT:

    Megan Meier died almost this date SIX YEARS AGO. For SEVENTY TWO months, some of the best and brightest have been trying to craft a law that won't step on any toes needlessly. In that time, HUNDREDS of children have been bullied to death on the net.

    You don't like this version of the bill? Fine by me -- but I still need you to be actively engaged in looking for the solution, k?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Is it really controversial to say that it sucks that the girl decided to do this, but we can't all collapse when people say things that we don't like?

    Maybe it's the military in me, but people are going to be put under pressure and you can't shrink in the face of it.

    Or, conversely, I can say that your sarcasm is bullying and report you to the authorities. Wouldn't that be a nice little world?
    How many 12 year olds are in the military?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Lots of 'em in Africa.

    Anyway, was this girl getting shot at in a strange place? I don't think anyone was asking her to deal with stressors like that, were they? Who?

    People are going to say **** you don't like. They are going to mock you and make fun of you sometimes, and it's that's the worse thing that happens to you in your life, you're a very, very lucky person.
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