Page 3 of 90 FirstFirst 123451353 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 894

Thread: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

  1. #21
    Mod Conspiracy Theorist
    rocket88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    A very blue state
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:13 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,127

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Wouldn't want him getting raped by big white dudes though, that would be a reward.

    Maybe to you....


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

  2. #22
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-17 @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    15,248

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I'm sorry but only one person is responsible for this suicide.
    Yes, because one morning this girl got up and - independent of any actions by anybody else - she decided to kill herself. Please don't go into the mental health profession.
    "Groups with guitars are on the way out, Mr. Epstein"

    Dick Rowe, A & R man
    Decca Records
    London, 1962

  3. #23
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Why the **** did her parents allow her to stay on Facebook? Why did she choose to stay on Facebook? Why did nobody document those posts and report them to the police?

    A lot of people failed here.

    Bullying is horrid, disgusting, lowbrow behavior. But this girl would still be alive DESPITE the bullying if her damned parents had actually made a serious effort to pull her away from the bullying.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  4. #24
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    This is why public schools are garbage, and private schools are a LOT better.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    What is really sad is that down here the kids are bullied by their teachers and nothing is done. My son experienced many cases of this when he was in 8,9,10th grade and I complained to the principal NOTHING, the County school system Nothing, the superintendant of schools (nothing).
    The year before we got here a child walked into his middle school class, pulled out a gun and blew his brains out in front of everyone. Did the system change NO.
    They do not have anyone person in middle or high schools here that the kids can go and just talk to and only 1 psych for every 9 upper level schools.

    Alot of talk is done here and elsewhere but from what I see little is being done.

    I am perfectly aware that bullying has been around since forever but there are effective ways to lessen it. Fortunately when we lived in SW Michigan the school system there had its act together and thus the level was kept to a minimum.

    Very sad.

  5. #25
    Guru
    Verthaine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    09-08-16 @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,044

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I don't want to sound like a dick... but if you cannot "survive" being bullied... how the frick will you survive the real world?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, I think this little girl proved she couldn't. And you sound like a dick.
    I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.

    I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
    What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.

  6. #26
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Oaxaca, Mexico
    Last Seen
    06-24-17 @ 08:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,579

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Verthaine: "That may be true,but there seems to be a number of peoples who's deeds and words influenced her to the point of deciding to take her own life. As a parent my sympathy and condolences goes out to her family."

    As a parent my sympathy and condolences go out to her family, and her friends, and her teachers, and everyone who might blame themselves. My nephew is 19 now but when he was nine his mother ran off with a boyfriend abandoning a 1-year old, a 4-year old, and a 9-year old. Six months later the father committed suicide. A friend of mine adopted the boys and they became my nephews. The 9-year old told me, when he was ten, that it was his fault his father committed suicide.

    We talked for an hour and I stressed that only one person was responsible and that was his father. And, he was drunk when he killed himself.

    I've investigated many suicides and most were incredibly stupid. People looking for sympathy, looking for attention, looking to hurt someone. Perhaps three percent of the ones I investigated were for good cause. I have far more sympathy for the survivors than I do for the selfish people who commit suicide.

    And the saddest part? This girl thinks her suicide will matter. Lives will be shattered. People will never recover. Sorry, but it's not true. There is some short-term suffering but life goes on. A woman who worked for me was threatening suicide, weekly, and I asked her one day if she'd considered the effect her suicide would have on others. "Oh, I realize it would be terrible but I simply can't cope." I laughed and said, "Only terrible for you. The others at work will be really upset until we get the list of applicants and hire someone new. In six months, if someone mentions your name people will say, "Who?" You mom and dad will be very upset for a couple of months but their lives will go on, too. They'll think of you on your birthday, maybe, and at Christmas but other than that, not so much. The only person really effected will be you." She eventually left our organization. Three years later I got an inquiry from a university many states away about her. Apparently she was still alive and still threatening to kill herself.

    I knew a man who had an employee who was a drunk. He skipped work Monday and Friday. Other employees were asking why Bob got four-day weekends and they didn't. When Bob was told no more four-day weekends he flew into a rage, said he'd kill himself, and it would be the boss's fault. The idiot boss believed him and quit his job. Suicides are often an irrational form of bullying.

    I have far more sympathy for the hundreds of murder victims in Chicago that no one outside their families care about. I have far more sympathy for children growing up unable to read or write in a wealthy country spending billions on education. I am sorry this young woman killed herself. She shouldn't have. But, her family and friends have my sympathy. Not her. But, I don't hate her. Hatred isn't a big part of my life. Unlike those like Gov. Dean who hates all Republicans. Not dislikes or disagrees with but hates. Hatred is a sad condition that often leads to suicide.
    Last edited by Patrickt; 10-12-12 at 03:27 PM.

  7. #27
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,242
    Blog Entries
    43

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.

    I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
    What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.
    Awww, Rainman isn't that bad. I was foolin' with him.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  8. #28
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,242
    Blog Entries
    43

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Verthaine: "That may be true,but there seems to be a number of peoples who's deeds and words influenced her to the point of deciding to take her own life. As a parent my sympathy and condolences goes out to her family."

    As a parent my sympathy and condolences go out to her family, and her friends, and her teachers, and everyone who might blame themselves. My nephew is 19 now but when he was nine his mother ran off with a boyfriend abandoning a 1-year old, a 4-year old, and a 9-year old. Six months later the father committed suicide. A friend of mine adopted the boys and they became my nephews. The 9-year old told me, when he was ten, that it was his fault his father committed suicide.

    We talked for an hour and I stressed that only one person was responsible and that was his father. And, he was drunk when he killed himself.

    I've investigated many suicides and most were incredibly stupid. People looking for sympathy, looking for attention, looking to hurt someone. Perhaps three percent of the ones I investigated were for good cause. I have far more sympathy for the survivors than I do for the selfish people who commit suicide.

    And the saddest part? This girl thinks her suicide will matter. Lives will be shattered. People will never recover. Sorry, but it's not true. There is some short-term suffering but life goes on. A woman who worked for me was threatening suicide, weekly, and I asked her one day if she'd considered the effect her suicide would have on others. "Oh, I realize it would be terrible but I simply can't cope." I laughed and said, "Only terrible for you. The others at work will be really upset until we get the list of applicants and hire someone new. In six months, is someone mentions your name people will say, "Who?" You mom and dad will be very upset for a couple of months but their lives will go on, too. They'll think of you on your birthday, maybe, and at Christmas but other than that, not so much. The only person really effected will be you."

    I knew a man who had an employee who was a drunk. He skipped work Monday and Friday. Other employees were asking why Bob got four-day weekends and they didn't. When Bob was told no more four-day weekends he flew into a rage, said he'd kill himself, and it would be the boss's fault. The idiot boss believed him and quit his job. Suicides are often an irrational form of bullying.

    I have far more sympathy for the hundreds of murder victims in Chicago that no one outside their families care about. I have far more sympathy for children growing up unable to read or write in a wealthy country spending billions on education. I am sorry this young woman killed herself. She shouldn't have. But, her family and friends have my sympathy. Not her.
    Ahhh, a well-reasoned response and still coming to the wrong conclusion. This little girl wasn't even fully cooked. To blame her for her parents' failure is short-sighted.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  9. #29
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    If you're talking about adults, that's fine.

    This was a child.

    The adults failed her in this case. That means her school/s, that means her parents, and that means Facebook.



    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Love the hateful and incredibly stupid responses. Amazingly, liberals hate bullies unless they're their bullies. How's Dan Savage doing, guys, and VP Joe Biden?

    I spent a lot of years investigating suicides and a surprising factor is how often and who the people committing suicide blame. Their wives, their husbands, their parents, their friends, their enemies, their children have all been blamed. I remember one where the poor, poor man called his wife and children to come watch and see "what they made him do." He could have just left a videotape.

    They made me commit suicide". No, they didn't. I talked with a man who murdered his mother, grandmother, and a woman who was visiting. They made him do it, too. Wasn't his responsibility. Oops, that nasty "R" word.

    So, go ahead and enjoy your hatred. I understand it's what sustains you. Find someone to blame. That helps sustain you to. See, I am capable of pity. I'm just not an enabler.

  10. #30
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    An internet bad guy groomed this kid into doing an "innocent" flash (in her mind). Then used that to go for the full monty. When the girl didn't comply, he destroyed her the best he could. The bullying came after and was precipitated by the original bad actor.

    The bullies themselves aren't blameless, but their actions were as a result of the actions of the internet perv.

    The parents may have prevented this, but in reality, this could have been done over phone or any number of media. Kids need to be educated sooner about his. I know, it sucks that we have to, in this modern world, spoil our children's time of innocence earlier and earlier with this crap, but we do.
    Last edited by clownboy; 10-12-12 at 03:37 PM.

Page 3 of 90 FirstFirst 123451353 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •