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The bullies win again[W710; 739]

OldWorldOrder said:
Probably because you responded to my comments to another poster? Not rocket surgery, my man.
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Actually, no I didn't. See post #539.

You're obviously not very good at this whole "debating thing" are you? It's alright........I know it can be a bit overwhelming when you're wrong and can't find a way to "duck out" with dignity. Baby steps.......... :shrug:
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Moderator's Warning:
Personal attacks stop now. Stick to the topic.
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Excuse me, but would it kill you to not talk down to us when you say that?

I have zero problem with what your intention was - some on here were breaking the rules and you wanted to put a stop to it.

But there is no reason you have to be SOOOO condescending when you do it.

If you were a cop and this was real life - fine.

But you are not and this ain't.

It's a simple online chat forum and you are a moderator.
 
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FluffyNinja said:
Actually, no I didn't. See post #539.

You're obviously not very good at this whole "debating thing" are you? It's alright........I know it can be a bit overwhelming when you're wrong and can't find a way to "duck out" with dignity. Baby steps.......... :shrug:
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You're very bad at this whole thing. Were you bullied as a child?
 
FluffyNinja said:
You're one person on a planet of nearly 7 billion.....your personal experiences are meaningless as far as qualification goes.

The over 4,000 kids who kill themselves each year (over half of which are attributed to bullying) if they could speak, may be a bit more "qualified" than you on this topic. Perhaps it's time for more adults to "man up" and start speaking for them instead of blaming them. :shrug:
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Who is making these attibutes to bullies for the suicides?. 4000 a year?? Were did you get that statistic?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Conspiracy to commit murder. Was this girl murdered?
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No. But consider Jim Jones and the Jonestown Massacre. Jim Jones was able to brainwash hundreds of people into drinking cyanide.

Was he not responsible?
 
zstep18 said:
No. But consider Jim Jones and the Jonestown Massacre. Jim Jones was able to brainwashing hundreds of people into drinking cyanide.

Was he not responsible?
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Uhhh...didn't Jim Jones either give them the cyanide or conspire to give them the cyanide? He didn't just make them feel bad and then they did it on their own.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Uhhh...yeah. You should probably refresh the thread before you post.
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Sorry, I have several things going on where I am and since I do not take you very seriously, I am not giving your posts sufficient attention.

Fine, I will ask again.

Okay, ask me a question and I will answer it honestly.

And when I do, I ask you to answer the following question:


what if a father (who is a cop) rapes his 8 year old child every day for 4 years. Finally, the child takes her own life because she cannot see any other way to stop him from raping her.

Now is he morally responsible at all for her suicide?

Yes or no?
 
DA60 said:
Excuse me, but would it kill you to not talk down to us when you say that?

I have zero problem with what your intention was - some on here were breaking the rules and you wanted to put a stop to it.

But there is no reason you have to be SOOOO condescending when you do it.

If you were a cop and this was real life - fine.

But you are not and this ain't.

It's a simple online chat forum and you are a moderator.
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I don't think the warning was directed to you.....and I don't think your reply here was such a good idea. :doh
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Uhhh...didn't Jim Jones either give them the cyanide or conspire to give them the cyanide? He didn't just make them feel bad and then they did it on their own.
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YMy point was more toward this idea that since the bully didn't actually murder the kid, the bully was not at allresponsible.

There was a case that has been referenced in this thread, where there was a nurse (I forget the name of this person) who went on suicide chat rooms and convinced people to commit suicide, provide ways to commit suicide, lied about joining suicide pacts, and watched as these people committed suicide.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I don't think the warning was directed to you.....and I don't think your reply here was such a good idea. :doh
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I assumed it was not directed at me.

And I am sure you are right that it was not such a good idea.

But I thought it needed to be said anyway.


Thanks for the heads up anyway though.
 
zstep18 said:
YMy point was more toward this idea that since the bully didn't actually murder the kid, the bully was not at allresponsible.
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No one said that. They're responsible for whatever stalking, harassment, and assault they perpetuated. But this girl committed suicide and that's on her.

There was a case that has been referenced in this thread, where there was a nurse (I forget the name of this person) who went on suicide chat rooms and convinced people to commit suicide, provide ways to commit suicide, lied about joining suicide pacts, and watched as these people committed suicide.
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Maybe she's be guilty of stalking, I dunno. She could've easily been found guilty of harassment. Beyond that? Nah.
 
DA60 said:
I assumed it was not directed at me.

And I am sure you are right that it was not such a good idea.

But I thought it needed to be said anyway.


Thanks for the heads up anyway though.
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Reason I say this is I didn't see you initiate any "personal" attacks or flaming in this thread, but I have seen it from "other" (intentionally singular)
 
zstep18 said:
YMy point was more toward this idea that since the bully didn't actually murder the kid, the bully was not at allresponsible.
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A bully is not responsible for a suicide. That would be murder. Since we're calling the the person a "bully" and not a "murderer", this means even you already agree that a bully is not responsible for a suicide.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
No one said that. They're responsible for whatever stalking, harassment, and assault they perpetuated. But this girl committed suicide and that's on her.



Maybe she's be guilty of stalking, I dunno. She could've easily been found guilty of harassment. Beyond that? Nah.
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Just to be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder or should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.
 
zstep18 said:
Right. What did Charles Manson go prison for?
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Several counts of Murder One, by conspiracy. He was sentenced to death and only given LWOP when the Supreme Court found the death penalty statute of several states, including California, unconstitutional.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I don't think the warning was directed to you.....and I don't think your reply here was such a good idea. :doh
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I am trying to find the fricken statistics online is starting to be a pain in my butt. I want something from the journels and everything I come across doesnt have the raw data like total deaths ect. What the hell is wrong with the phyciatric communitie dont they know how to publish raw data so others can examine the work? :(
 
zstep18 said:
Just be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder, who should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.
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I don't have all the facts, but unless something emerged to change my mind, I'd certainly convict on a homicide charge. Probably not Murder One or Two; but manslaughter/negligent homicide?

Absolutely.
 
Jerry said:
A bully is not responsible for a suicide. That would be murder. Since we're calling the the person a "bully" and not a "murderer", this means even you already agree that a bully is not responsible for a suicide.
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A bully CAN be responsible for a suicide and it DOES NOT have to be murder. There is also a "civil" side to the law. People are routinely sued for "wrongful death" and judgements are rendered against them. This may be one of those cases.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I am trying to find the fricken statistics online is starting to be a pain in my butt. I want something from the journels and everything I come across doesnt have the raw data like total deaths ect. What the hell is wrong with the phyciatric communitie dont they know how to publish raw data so others can examine the work? :(
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I'm sorry, Pirate. Fluffy has some I can give you now; my daughter did her thesis on cyberbullying between children, and may have more. I'm not sure she tracked incidents of adults bullying kids.

Lemme give you that link:

Bullying and Suicide - Bullying Statistics
 
FluffyNinja said:
A bully CAN be responsible for a suicide and it DOES NOT have to be murder. There is also a "civil" side to the law. People are routinely sued for "wrongful death" and judgements are rendered against them. This may be one of those cases.
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Well, true. Every crime is also a tort -- but what parent wants money as opposed to a prison sentence when some evil adult has driven their kid into the ground?
 
zstep18 said:
Just to be clear. I don't think the bully in question should be charged with murder or should be completely responsible for the persons death. However, I do believe some blame rests on the bully, and the bully should be punished in some way.
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The bully is responsible for whatever is encompassed in harassment and stalking laws. What are they responsible for beyond that?
 
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