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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Amanda Todd's alleged tormentor named by hacker group

    Amanda Todd's alleged tormentor named by hacker group - British Columbia - CBC News


    Well, I hope this really is the guy.

    But if it is, way to go Anonymous.


    This is how you stop bullying, imo...publicly exposť the bullies (though this guy was way more then a simple 'bully', apparently).

    Sure, it's not a perfect solution. Far from it.

    But it's a start.


    From the above linked article:

    'Family pleads for help
    Todd's family has pleaded with people to report anyone desecrating online tribute pages to Amanda and also to come forward with information about those who bullied her online:

    Her aunt, Leanna Todd, of Halifax, told CBC News that the public response to Todd's death and the discussion about bullying has provided the family with much comfort.

    “I've really been overwhelmed by it. I knew there would be an outcry. I didn't know it would be an international outcry and I don't think her parents expected it either."
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I know she was unstable enough to cut herself.
    I know she was unstable enough to drink bleach.
    I know she was unstable enough to take her own life.

    But she didn't say that she was threatened in such a way did she?
    And of course a rational person would still go to the police.



    I most certainly am. Because that is what normal people do when crimes are committed against them.
    But since she obviously wasn't normal... you know the drill.



    I am not playing your hypothetical game.
    Present an actual case in another thread and I will comment on it.

    This here is about Amanda Todd who is responsible for taking her own life.
    NOT someone else.

    Stop trying to blame other people for this unstable persons actions. It is sickening.
    At what point did society stop being partly responsible for the socialization of our children?

    She was just a child and those around her obviously failed her in showing her compassion and in her social development. Her parents, her "friends", her schoolmates, her schoolmates' parents, those who watched her obvious pleas for help and were too cowardly to take any real action, those who've helped to propagate a "social networking" society where all are "free" create any persona they wish but where none are held accountable for who may get hurt as a result..........ALL must shoulder at least part of the blame. She was just a child.......who was obviously never given the guidance nor taught the social skills necessary to equip her to deal with the evils of the world. She never had a chance.

    It's too easy just to place all blame on this child and move on.......so convenient.............relieves all of us of so much responsibility doesn't it?

    I'm a HS teacher, and I've dealt with many cases of bullying similar to this.............thank God at least some of us have the compassion to intervene. If this had been my daughter, I would hope and pray that people wouldn't just "write her off" so easily. Did anyone "force" her to do it?.........No. But it doesn't take away from the fact that there are a world full of children out there........hurting..........who feel as if they've been abandoned. We all have a responsibility to intervene on behalf of those children who aren't equipped to handle these things alone. And we, as members of society, all share partly in the responsibility......especially those who dealt with this particular child directly. To simply stand by and leave the "unloved" and "unwanted" to their own choices and ultimately to their own demise is.......well.......inhuman.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have my answer.
    Why yes you do have your answer.
    Let me repeat it again for you.


    I am not playing your hypothetical game.
    Present an actual case in another thread and I will comment on it.

    You see, if you were actually interested in an actual answer of such, you would find said case and present it.
    Since you do not, it was all just a game on your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I cannot understand this need you and others seem to have to place blame. Some things are just tragedies that could have potentially been avoided. I think it's pretty sad that you cannot show one iota of compassion for this child.
    Showing compassion does not mean one does not place blame where it belongs, with her. Where you got that idea I will never know.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Why yes you do have your answer.
    Let me repeat it again for you.


    I am not playing your hypothetical game.
    Present an actual case in another thread and I will comment on it.

    You see, if you were actually interested in an actual answer of such, you would find said case and present it.
    Since you do not, it was all just a game on your part.
    Sorry pal, your answer was clear as day.

    And, btw, your reaction was part of the answer I sought.


    I will say that others that I asked this type of question to at least took a stand, gave an answer and defended their reasons.


    So will you answer the question if I pm it to you?

    I am guessing more excuses will follow as to why you will not.


    Have a nice day.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I know she was unstable enough to cut herself.
    I know she was unstable enough to drink bleach.
    I know she was unstable enough to take her own life.

    But she didn't say that she was threatened in such a way did she?
    And of course a rational person would still go to the police.





    I most certainly am. Because that is what normal people do when crimes are committed against them.
    But since she obviously wasn't normal... you know the drill.



    I am not playing your hypothetical game.
    Present an actual case in another thread and I will comment on it.

    This here is about Amanda Todd who is responsible for taking her own life.
    NOT someone else.

    Stop trying to blame other people for this unstable persons actions. It is sickening.
    Ahh, so the people responsible for the environment in which she was made more unstable have no responsbility for their actions. Im not saying its 100% either way. You refuse to hold others responsible for treating her in a dehumanizing fashion.

    Yes, her decision. Im saying she didnt have the support to treat that decision with her full mental capacity.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ahh, so the people responsible for the environment in which she was made more unstable have no responsbility for their actions. Im not saying its 100% either way. You refuse to hold others responsible for treating her in a dehumanizing fashion.

    Yes, her decision. Im saying she didnt have the support to treat that decision with her full mental capacity.
    Yes.

    No one is saying that her suicide was none of her responsibility.

    But to say it is no one else's is (imo) ignorant and (probably) emotionally convenient.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    At what point did society stop being partly responsible for the socialization of our children?

    She was just a child and those around her obviously failed her in showing her compassion and in her social development. Her parents, her "friends", her schoolmates, her schoolmates' parents, those who watched her obvious pleas for help and were too cowardly to take any real action, those who've helped to propagate a "social networking" society where all are "free" create any persona they wish but where none are held accountable for who may get hurt as a result..........ALL must shoulder at least part of the blame. She was just a child.......who was obviously never given the guidance nor taught the social skills necessary to equip her to deal with the evils of the world. She never had a chance.
    Is that what you think?
    That's nice!
    This is all tertiary and irrelevant as to her responsibility.



    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    It's too easy just to place all blame on this child and move on.......so convenient.............relieves all of us of so much responsibility doesn't it?
    "WE" have no such responsibility. Stop trying to place a burden that does not exist.


    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I'm a HS teacher, and I've dealt with many cases of bullying similar to this.............thank God at least some of us have the compassion to intervene.
    Good for you!

    [sarcasm]Would you like to hold her teachers responsible for not intervening which may have prevented her eventually killing of herself?[/sarcasm]

    And as a teacher I think that when ever you see actual bullying and teasing, that you should intervene to stop it.
    By bullying the student.
    Because that is what it is in essence.
    Correct your actions or this will happen to you.

    But it still does not mean that she is the only one responsible for her actions. Because she is.



    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I would hope and pray that people wouldn't just "write her off" so easily.
    She wrote herself off.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Did anyone "force" her to do it?.........No.
    Exactly.
    Not even by what they did.

    She is solely responsible.



    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    But it doesn't take away from the fact that there are a world full of children out there........hurting..........who feel as if they've been abandoned. We all have a responsibility to intervene on behalf of those children who aren't equipped to handle these things alone. And we, as members of society, all share partly in the responsibility......especially those who dealt with this particular child directly. To simply stand by and leave the "unloved" and "unwanted" to their own choices and ultimately to their own demise is.......well.......inhuman.
    And the stable ones are not out there taking there own life. Are they?
    Regardless. It does not relieve her of her responsibility in taking her own life.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    im not really sure if this is the proper place for this, but since it's the topic of bullying, i guess it's ok to place it here.






    This is a very tragic story of a girl that commited suicide because of bullying. Yes, she made some big mistakes, but these mistakes do not make it ok to bully.

    This is the video that she post prior to killing herself. very sad.

    This needs to stop!



    Amanda Todd: Bullied Canadian Teen Commits Suicide After Prolonged Battle Online And In School


    in 3...2...1.... here comes the pro-bully posts
    This is heartbreaking. I was bullied in school quite relentlessly in 7th grade, yet nothing like this. I wish I had known this girl so I could tell her that it gets better...a lot better. I never harbored any resentment for the kids who picked on me, because they were kids too. In this case, though, I hope the cowardly little punks get all the karma out of life that they deserve and that Amanda finally has the peace she couldn't find in life.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sorry pal, your answer was clear as day.

    And, btw, your reaction was part of the answer I sought.


    I will say that others that I asked this type of question to at least took a stand, gave an answer and defended their reasons.


    So will you answer the question if I pm it to you?

    I am guessing more excuses will follow as to why you will not.


    Have a nice day.
    No.
    It was a hypothetical.

    Here we have news reports and factual information with more than a scenario.

    Like I said, provide an actual case (it can't be that hard), and start a topic about it.
    I said I would reply. Your assuming anything from such a response is ridiculous.

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