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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    If there is ever an over-used and overworked justification for thuggish behavior, surely 'Freedom of Speech' is at the top of the list.

    Here's several definitions of bullying, which hopefully might help you as you struggle to grasp this difficult concept. Just to clear up any potential misunderstandings, we are not referring here to the archaic definition.

    bullying - definition of bullying by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    Bully for you. So by your apparent definition, anything intimidating or aggressive in nature should be outlawed? When you can offer me a realistic concrete definition of what you wish to be outlawed that is not currently against the law, then we can have a discussion. I have seen much better definitions out there in discussion land than some general definition that could be applied in an overly-broad way. If you just want to rant about a bad set of facts that you do not like and can do nothing about, proceed without me.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So emotionally destroying a human being is OK. It's just the physical destruction that you have a problem with?
    So you think you have the right to be treated nicely by those around you? What exactly would be the power of the freedom of speech if everything that hurt someones feelings was against the law?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you think you have the right to be treated nicely by those around you? What exactly would be the power of the freedom of speech if everything that hurt someones feelings was against the law?

    Freedom of speech includes telling someone they should kill themselves?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Freedom of speech includes telling someone they should kill themselves?
    Last I checked.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Last I checked.
    Bans on assisted suicide have been found Constitutional by the Court: Washington v. Glucksberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. In fact, Washington v. Glucksberg was a unanimous decision. It's slightly different, but it would be interesting to hear if counseling a person to commit suicide is legal.

    Granted, I understand that in your mind, the Supreme Court is only correct when they agree with you.


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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's not true. There are plenty of people who have suicidal ideation and NEVER go through with actual suicide. This stuff can be treated! The problem is recognizing the signs (if there are any - there are NOT always signs that are so easily recognizable).

    I used to feel the same way until suicide affected ME personally. Let me tell me, if it ever does, you will have MUCH more compassion for these people.
    Psychology recognizes Four different types of suicide "victims"

    The letter writer - May take pills but not enough to kill or seriously injure. Not considered a threat to self.

    The waiter - May slash wrists or take enough pills to kill self but has already notified someone in enough time to be save them

    The depressant - Not UNSTABLE just suffering from severe anxiety or depression. Makes letter or tape of intentions and why in hopes of changing the attitude of the group that created the environment. This is not woe is me. such a comment is bull**** and cold. Person effectively kills self some time afterward. Ledge and bridge jumpers who advertize their prescence are among these.

    The departed - Leave no note or indication of intentions just do it.

    The 3rd group is the only one that needs long term help and care. The second just needs intensive counselling until the percieved crisis has passed.
    The problem with the second group is some of them tend to be repeaters and some of them do end up dead.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    iLOL

    Wrong!
    There is nothing disgusting about it.

    Whether you like it or not, she is solely responsible for her actions.




    Not if it is going to be debated.
    And nobody should be ashamed for participating except those who are criticizing other posters.



    Nothing but uncalled for emotional and hypocritical tripe.

    Whether you like it or not, she is solely responsible for her actions.




    So what?
    [sarcasm]Your above statement is why all the children are out there committing suicide right?[/sarcasm]
    Of course not. All the kids are not commuting suicide, because the vast majority cope just fine, even with similar circumstance.
    She was unstable.

    Whether you like it or not, she is solely responsible for her actions.
    This is compassionless and wrong as well as offensive. Why don't you go tell her family that. I am sure they will be impressed.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I'm sure counselors and mental health professionals would be happy to explain the difference to you between bullying and good natured teasing. I think it's self evident, but maybe you don't.

    Had you ever been a victim of bullying, you would know how odd your post is. Freedom of speech? Really? Defending the rights of a gang of punks to terrorize and humiliate a kid is now part of freedom of speech? Or is it the actual bullying freedom of speech?

    I repeat, people who bully are defective human beings who enjoy inflicting pain on others.
    Maybe you do not know the difference between disturbed, developementally disabled or depressed. I have my own opinion on your last statement
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you think you have the right to be treated nicely by those around you? What exactly would be the power of the freedom of speech if everything that hurt someones feelings was against the law?
    Freedom of speech does not include slander, defamation, blackmail and threats of physical violence.

    All of these are actionable/illegal.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Bans on assisted suicide have been found Constitutional by the Court: Washington v. Glucksberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. In fact, Washington v. Glucksberg was a unanimous decision. It's slightly different, but it would be interesting to hear if counseling a person to commit suicide is legal.

    Granted, I understand that in your mind, the Supreme Court is only correct when they agree with you.
    What they were dealing with is nothing like this so don't mix the two issues. Anyway, the phrase "a fundamental liberty interest" makes no sense at all. We all have a right to kill ourselves and while assisted suicide is not exactly a wonderful thought people should be able to assist those they love in doing it. Still, you can't just have people claiming that is what they were doing so its probably best to have it happening at the hospital or some sort of controlled environment where at the least the intention of all parties is understood. Though I'm not endorsing anything of plan to allow this, but it shouldn't be all out illegal either.

    His state interest argument was also nonsensical because honestly since when have our actions had to be interest of the state? What kind of illogical nonsense is that? To even claim that the states interest is to always keep us alive as if we don't have a say on the matter is insulting to the meaning of freedom to begin with. The only thing I can say postive about his decision is that he has a point about the mentally ill and coercion , but beyond that it's all garbage.

    Like I said though, it makes no sense to say some liberties are more important than others because that is simply not how liberties work.

    Anyway...

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    I'm not exactly sure how anyone being honest can say the limits we are talking about here is actually constitutional.
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