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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    If I were a betting man, I'd wager a lot on the following: those who defend bullying, or who minimize its effect on the weak, are or were bullies themselves. Those who bully, or who take pleasure in inflicting emotional and/or physical harm on their victims are defective human beings.
    Please define "Bullying". Is someone saying, "Your dress looks awful" a bully? Where does one objectively draw the line between what is permissible and impermissible negative commentary? Does the intent matter or is just merely the consequence? These are important questions, and until I have them answered, I err on the side of defending bullying even though it is more opposition to limiting speech in an ambiguous subjective way.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Please define "Bullying". Is someone saying, "Your dress looks awful" a bully? Where does one objectively draw the line between what is permissible and impermissible negative commentary? Does the intent matter or is just merely the consequence? These are important questions, and until I have them answered, I err on the side of defending bullying even though it is more opposition to limiting speech in an ambiguous subjective way.
    I'm sure counselors and mental health professionals would be happy to explain the difference to you between bullying and good natured teasing. I think it's self evident, but maybe you don't.

    Had you ever been a victim of bullying, you would know how odd your post is. Freedom of speech? Really? Defending the rights of a gang of punks to terrorize and humiliate a kid is now part of freedom of speech? Or is it the actual bullying freedom of speech?

    I repeat, people who bully are defective human beings who enjoy inflicting pain on others.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I would say you are wrong.
    Secondly; Bullying/teasing is part of human nature.
    The defective ones, are the ones who take their own life over it.


    Bullying may be a part of human nature, but so is violence. So what? Sorry, anybody who thinks bullying someone to the point of suicide is just 'part of human nature' and therefore acceptable is simply wrong. And I repeat, those who defend bullies and see nothing wrong with it were, in all probability, bullies themselves.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I shake my head when I see certain people ardently defend bullying. There's no excuse.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Had you ever been a victim of bullying, you would know how silly your post is. Freedom of speech? Really? Defending the rights of a gang of punks to terrorize and humiliate a kid is now part of freedom of speech? Or is it the actual bullying freedom of speech?

    I repeat, people who bully are defective human beings who enjoy inflicting pain on others.
    Being a rude and mean SOB is part of the freedom of speech. There is nothing silly about it.

    As for physical harm like beating someone up that is entirely different.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Had you ever been a victim of bullying, you would know how silly your post is. Freedom of speech? Really? Defending the rights of a gang of punks to terrorize and humiliate a kid is now part of freedom of speech? Or is it the actual bullying freedom of speech?

    I repeat, people who bully are defective human beings who enjoy inflicting pain on others.
    I have been the victim of bullying many times. I could report it or I could hit back, or I could do nothing. What more should be done? Yes, Freedom of Speech because I hear people saying "Other kids used to pick on me because I am a guy who took dance. End the bullying."

    As a matter of fact, calling my post silly is bullying so you should be ashamed of yourself you thug (see how easy that works). Define bullying in a way that makes sense where I line can be drawn and I will discuss it with you further. Otherwise, I see you just trying to skip over the most important line there can be in a discussion--understanding a term.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Being a rude and mean SOB is part of the freedom of speech. There is nothing silly about it.

    As for physical harm like beating someone up that is entirely different.
    So emotionally destroying a human being is OK. It's just the physical destruction that you have a problem with?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have been the victim of bullying many times. I could report it or I could hit back, or I could do nothing. What more should be done? Yes, Freedom of Speech because I hear people saying "Other kids used to pick on me because I am a guy who took dance. End the bullying."

    As a matter of fact, calling my post silly is bullying so you should be ashamed of yourself you thug (see how easy that works). Define bullying in a way that makes sense where I line can be drawn and I will discuss it with you further. Otherwise, I see you just trying to skip over the most important line there can be in a discussion--understanding a term.
    If there is ever an over-used and overworked justification for thuggish behavior, surely 'Freedom of Speech' is at the top of the list.

    Here's several definitions of bullying, which hopefully might help you as you struggle to grasp this difficult concept. Just to clear up any potential misunderstandings, we are not referring here to the archaic definition.

    bullying - definition of bullying by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's not true. There are plenty of people who have suicidal ideation and NEVER go through with actual suicide. This stuff can be treated! The problem is recognizing the signs (if there are any - there are NOT always signs that are so easily recognizable).

    I used to feel the same way until suicide affected ME personally. Let me tell me, if it ever does, you will have MUCH more compassion for these people.
    Not dogging on you, but for me it's having to see the trauma to the families who remain after someone suicides.

    So for me it's pretty hard to have anything beyond contempt for anyone who does that to people they are supposed to care about and not supposed to traumatize


    So yeah, they're ****ing cowards for bailing on their problems with little regard to how it will effect their loved ones.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Very nicely worded in a way to try to make me sound like an evil asshole. The crime the molester is guilty of is molesting the child and if the child decides to later kill themselves perhaps in part from what was done to them, that is on them.
    So your answer is 'yes'.

    Noted.


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