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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I do not prescribe to this. I learned a long time ago that my tongue is more of a weapon than my fists ever will be. In high school I was able to reduce a "bully" to tears. All I had to do was make sure I was around people when I did it. Also a little cloak and dagger never hurt either.

    In all the fights I have been in (few) or seen I have never seen any lasting effect come of it. You beat the piss out of someone but does that really change their minds. Around the winner (if there is such a thing) yes but in reallity Not a chance. I prefer long term solutions to the quick fix.

    If you mess with someones mind and other people see it, the effects are very long term. Those I used this tactic on stopped messing with others or me in short order. The people I fought did not.
    Different experiences, then. Possibly cultural. I grew up in the south. To try to use wit, or even insults, for me, usually just resulted in me defending myself physically. You've gotta note, I have never, not once, started a fight. I have never thrown the first punch. Half the times I've been in fights are results of simply not backing down. For me, from what I have learned, that is a bullies worst fear...a victim who is not cowed. Standing up forces their hand. Now they choose...surrender all credability, and walk away before this person who is not yielding ground, or escalate the situation into a known territory...a fight. Yes, I've spoken of the fights I've been in. Something I might have added are the number of fights I've NOT been in, as a result of bullies simply skulking away. But those are numerous.

    Whatever weapon you choose, the important thing is to stand your ground.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Different experiences, then. Possibly cultural. I grew up in the south. To try to use wit, or even insults, for me, usually just resulted in me defending myself physically. You've gotta note, I have never, not once, started a fight. I have never thrown the first punch. Half the times I've been in fights are results of simply not backing down. For me, from what I have learned, that is a bullies worst fear...a victim who is not cowed. Standing up forces their hand. Now they choose...surrender all credability, and walk away before this person who is not yielding ground, or escalate the situation into a known territory...a fight. Yes, I've spoken of the fights I've been in. Something I might have added are the number of fights I've NOT been in, as a result of bullies simply skulking away. But those are numerous.

    Whatever weapon you choose, the important thing is to stand your ground.
    I am very glad and happy to hear how you responded I thought you would be one of those like my brother was how tried to solve all his problemss with his fists. He failed horribly and it made him very bitter. Now do not get the idea that my brother and 65 lb weakling either. He is and was in high school 6ft 3 and roughly 235 pounds. He was a weight lifter and track guy. Not a wimp. He just could not get it through his head that what he was doing would not change anything.
    I don't necessarily agree with your last statement either. My background is culturally very different from most Americans and so we were taught from childhood was that what other people thought of us or did not think of us was immaterial. How we thought about ourselves was. So if a situation arose where the best option was to walk away i did. I felt no shame or humiliation about it. They could think what they wanted I did not give a ****.
    My perception of me was all that counted. When I started running track and playing volleyball, I only competed against me but did it by trying to beat them if that makes sense.

    So for me the only ground that is important in this regard is what is between my ears.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I didn't watch the video and I don't care too. If they assaulted her that is a crime that should be treated as such but bullying itself should not be a crime.



    I'm sorry, but if you kill yourself because people do things to you that is your responsibility. It can be no other way.



    I think you are far to emotional for any sort of discussion to be had with you.
    A) So. For example. If a child is molested by a loved one over and over for years and endsup killing themselves to stop being molested...the rapist has no responsibility for the child's suicide?

    If you think that, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    And B) I am not emotional about it...I am just completely sure of myself on this.

    I don't get 'emotional' debating with faceless strangers on a chat forum.

    Please.


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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    You know, after reading though this thread, i think some people just like to argue just for the sake of argument.
    Some people are just down right inconsiderate, stone cold idiots.

    that's all i have to say about that (Gump)

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yeah, well, it's not a very popular position to take, these days. I'll tell you...my wife sure didn't like that I said it, and I gotta more than a couple angry looks from the lady who ran the show, and quite a few of the moms there were giving me the evil eye, too. I'd say that thought the even was outdoors, once I spoke the words, the temp went down...at least 10 degrees, easily. I felt VERY unwelcome, after that, and didn't even so much as get a "come back next year!" on leaving, lol.

    Whatever. I honestly don't care too much about other people's kids, so they can tell them to do whatever they want, I KNOW what I'm gonna tell my son about it.
    You know what my mom would have been just like the those moms in that room, except she witnessed first hand me getting my ass beat and I not lifting a finger cause of her instructions previous which I was grass and they were the lawnmower if I got into a fight. She changed her mind right quick after that, apprarnetly she dont take too kindly to her kids getting their asses beat if it aint her. Love ya mom.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    A) So. For example. If a child is molested by a loved one over and over for years and endsup killing themselves to stop being molested...the rapist has no responsibility for the child's suicide?
    The person that molested the child is responsible for the molestation while the suicide is all on the person that did the act of killing themselves, so yeah.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The person that molested the child is responsible for the molestation while the suicide is all on the person that did the act of killing themselves, so yeah.
    Let's be clear.

    And, in your opinion, the person that molested this person over and over and over and showed no signs of stopping from molesting this poor child bares zero legal and ethical responsibility in the suicide of the child he continued to molest?

    Yes or no?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    When I was a kid, I never met a bully who liked picking on me more than he disliked being beat about the head with one of my textbooks. Since I was a straight A student and they were never even close, I could always get away with it.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Let's be clear.

    And, in your opinion, the person that molested this person over and over and over and showed no signs of stopping from molesting this poor child bares zero legal and ethical responsibility in the suicide of the child he continued to molest?

    Yes or no?
    Very nicely worded in a way to try to make me sound like an evil asshole. The crime the molester is guilty of is molesting the child and if the child decides to later kill themselves perhaps in part from what was done to them, that is on them.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Bullies are nothing but cowards. What does it take to sit behind a keyboard and torment someone, it takes much less to stand behind a crowd of people and subject another to a living hell. I do not believe I have ever been bullied, per se. What I have done and continue to do is tell the bully to come to me a try out there spineless crap on someone who will "hit" back. Been like that my whole life. I can tell you just about every time the bully was at some point in their own life a victim of another's bullying. It gets better, especially in an internet format, when there is ganging up in a bulling session. There is nothing to be proud of when causing another such harm, there is nothing to be gained it just tears at the fabric of what we are as a society. Those that applaud such actions are as spineless as the one committing the acts.

    Clearly this girl had done whatever she could do within her own survival skills. We are aware of this because she committed suicide. Had she not done so we may have never heard of her, this is one issue that I am tireless in combating.
    Granted, circumstances dictate, but I see a threat of violence, as an act of a bully.




    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, because one morning this girl got up and - independent of any actions by anybody else - she decided to kill herself. Please don't go into the mental health profession.
    Basically, yes!
    Most people can withstand such.
    Those who are unstable cannot, and take their life.


    Clearly she was unstable.







    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.

    What do you think ought to be done?
    Draconian methods?
    That wouldn't help at all.

    Secondly we need to distinguish between teasing and actual bullying.

    My definition would be any threats of, or actual violence, and constant teasing to the point of harassment.
    The constant teasing of a lesser degree of bullying.







    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some of these posts are absolutely disgusting, and some of you should be absolutely shamed!!!
    Why?


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This was a CHILD who took her own life, and some of you have absolutely NO compassion for what pain she must have experienced in order to go through with it.
    This is a debate forum.
    Emotion should be removed from the equation.
    And removing emotion does not mean that ones does not have any for the person. Nor should emotion dictate how one looks at the circumstances.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I take some of these comments VERY personally, as I have been very personally effected by the suicide of someone very close to me. Selfishness has NOTHING to do with it morons!
    Well when one only considers how their actions will affect others, it is selfish. Is it not?
    Having said that, I think it would be better to say that selfishness does not come into the equation when one wants to end it all.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How does anyone know whether or not this girl suffered from a mental illness? She could have.
    She most likely did. Which would be a reason not to care that she took her own life.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Have some effing compassion for the girl AND her family.
    Having compassion does not somehow change anything that anybody has said, nor would it.
    Do you somehow think it would?



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The family is most likely SUFFERING terribly!
    Yes they most likely are. Some families just should not be having children. This may be one of them.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Imagine the state of mind and the suffering you must have to be in to actually take your own life.
    And?
    It doesn't change a darn thing.
    As a society, it would be better if we could prevent such people from being born in the first place.






    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Where are you getting that? The girl had naked pictured of her distributed across the web. Presumably she was a minor when that happened so it's kiddie porn. Furthermore she was beaten and left in a ditch. That's assault.

    Did you watch the video?
    I watched the video.
    It was a "Woe is me!" one.
    She was wrong for the flashing and the guy was wrong for using it against her in the way he did.

    And she got beat-up for her actions. Not that I believe it was a sufficient reason, but it was for her actions.


    And she went and laid down in a ditch.

    "Teachers ran over but I just went and layed in a ditch and my dad found me."

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