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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Naturally it wouldn't be mentioned in the news, but if you have a child around high school age, you are aware that the number of white children, both boys and girls, committing suicide either in high school or immediately out of high school is almost beyond belief. This is a new phenomenon in the United States. Traditionally children did not commit suicide because they always had so much hope for a better life in the future. Who knows what the reason for this present tragic state of affairs is, perhaps because there isn't much hope in liberal America, no place to go, you're trapped and the fact that in pop culture, high school viciousness goes on forever, even past the age of thirty. Kids don't grow up anymore. Certainly their horizons are not expanded in public school and they are taught to be ashamed of their race and their country, even ashamed of their parents. Plus the focus of our schools has shifted to worship of the 3rd world races and "education" is at the lowest levels.
    White children?

    What the heck does the amount of melanin in someone's skin have to do with it?

    Or are you just racist?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what if people are killing themselves over suggestion? People encourage weakness in people all the time and sometimes it leads to people acting irrationally towards themselves and/or others, but people are still responsible for what they do with their lives. Why should we punish suggestion when suggestion isn't actually doing anything but playing on a weakness?
    Did you even read about this girl?

    We are not just talking about 'suggestion'.

    We are talking about assault, blackmail and a host of other illegal things...let alone all the apparent cruelty.


    And if someone is abused enough, their suicide is no longer just their responsibility. It is also the responsibility of those that committed that abuse.

    You disagree? You are wrong...end of story.


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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The great thing about the Internet is that you can easily walk away from the screen or ignore people that are rude.
    Yeah but everyone in your school is gossiping about you and you are 14 years old it can be rather hard to ignore.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Ok but how does a person with Aspergers who has no ability to "overcome" his disability overcome it. these are developmentally disabled persons who do not by their disability have the ability to defend themselves either verbally or otherwise. You are apparently not aware or do not realize/understand that there ARE people out there who cannot stand up for themselves or deal with the concept let alone the reality of bullying and when the school system not only fosters this behavior in students but in teachers as well as in my sons case, how is he to COPE? No one stood up for him NO ONE, No one helped him they told him to suck it up and be a man or ridiculed him because of his emotional responses which were the only ones he had.
    You may believe that faith makes all thing possible and that is fine for you. But the real world of the developmentally disabled has no such assurances. The only hope he had was the maybe someday this would end. the only faith he had was that he had faith is would not end. The school and school system also had faith that they could get away with doing this to my son and allowing it to happen without consequences. And they were right. I would like to mention another factor but the only thing I will say is that this happened in the south. You can draw from that whatever conclusions you wish. Unfortunately this is the rule here rather than the exception.

    My point is please realize that there are persons out there who do not fit into your mold or concept of these issues and that they are helpless in environments such as these. I have literally made myself sick trying to get my son out of that sitiation and as a result I am no longer able to work. My wife has faired just slightly better.

    Your 'facts of life" are not within his comprehension and can never be. If a subject like this comes up again I hope you keep my words in your mind.
    Wolf, I don't know how you are going to take this comment so I want to preface it by saying that it's only meant with the utmost sincerity and hope that both you and your son can get past this problem.

    The way I'm reading things, Wolf, you've got a laser like focus on all the things that your son can't do because of his disease. I'd suggest spending a bit more energy on the things that he can do as I suspect that concentrating on those areas will bring both you and him much more benefit than banging your heads against something that you can't fix.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Wolf, I don't know how you are going to take this comment so I want to preface it by saying that it's only meant with the utmost sincerity and hope that both you and your son can get past this problem.

    The way I'm reading things, Wolf, you've got a laser like focus on all the things that your son can't do because of his disease. I'd suggest spending a bit more energy on the things that he can do as I suspect that concentrating on those areas will bring both you and him much more benefit than banging your heads against something that you can't fix.
    I appreciate your sentiment but you have not gotten it. My "laser like" focus is getting my son and the millions of others like him the help they need.

    As I said in my post what he could do he was able to do in Michigan because they gave a ****. When we came down here for a variety of reasons they did not SO because the law said I had to keep him in school until he was X years old we had to fight an entrenched enemy who had superior numbers, ammunition and the high ground. We tried to get him into private schools that we could not afford but they would not take him because he did not meet "thier needs". As soon as we could we got him out and were able to find a situation which allowed him to graduate from an accredited high school with a regular diploma something that would not have been possible here.
    You seem to be focusing on those parts of my post dealing with negatives. My point to you was really not about MY son, but that there are kids out there who do not meet your profile and need realtime help which they are not getting. Until "you" realize this or go out an experience it for yourself you cannot understand the depth of this issue.

    BTW Autism is not a disease as I have stated, its a genetic disability and they are NOT the same thing. As a result my son cannot be "cured" No more than a person who is born with one limb can grow a new one. the prosthesis he needs is a support system in schools which recognizes that he has abiilities and is willing to help him with that. When the system does not give a **** there is no prosthesis for him.

    Can you see that? If you cannot with all respect I see no point in discussing this further.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Did you even read about this girl?

    We are not just talking about 'suggestion'.

    We are talking about assault, blackmail and a host of other illegal things...let alone all the apparent cruelty.
    No, I didn't watch the video and I don't care too. If they assaulted her that is a crime that should be treated as such but bullying itself should not be a crime.

    And if someone is abused enough, their suicide is no longer just their responsibility. It is also the responsibility of those that committed that abuse.
    I'm sorry, but if you kill yourself because people do things to you that is your responsibility. It can be no other way.

    You disagree? You are wrong...end of story.
    I think you are far to emotional for any sort of discussion to be had with you.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Theres a technical term for that advise its called reprisal. I say thats the best advise of the forum. I am glad you gave those people that advise. You said it better than I could by far. Thnx.
    Yeah, well, it's not a very popular position to take, these days. I'll tell you...my wife sure didn't like that I said it, and I gotta more than a couple angry looks from the lady who ran the show, and quite a few of the moms there were giving me the evil eye, too. I'd say that thought the even was outdoors, once I spoke the words, the temp went down...at least 10 degrees, easily. I felt VERY unwelcome, after that, and didn't even so much as get a "come back next year!" on leaving, lol.

    Whatever. I honestly don't care too much about other people's kids, so they can tell them to do whatever they want, I KNOW what I'm gonna tell my son about it.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I hope you mean a fight to improve the situation or to call out the bullyies to the school. Physical is just repeating the cycle.
    No, I mean fisticuffs, pugilism. A physical altercation is every bullies worst fear. Do you think bullies care one way or another about getting into trouble? From my experience, most bullies are troubled kids to begin with, kids who already get into their fair share of trouble, either due to poor grades, skipping school, acting out in class, etc. Oft they are of the more popular class of kids, which is why other kids stand by and witness something so wrong as bullying, and do nothing about it.

    At first, I thought the same as you, though. I would tell a teacher. I would go home and tell my parents. My mom would go to school and talk to the teachers about it, etc. All of these things did nothing but make the problem worse, because it calls ATTENTION to it, which is what every bully wants. They want people focused on their target, and not themselves. It's like throwing chum into shark infested waters while there are divers overboard...it's asking for trouble. I got into my first real fight in 5th grade. With a kid who had been bullying me since I first started grade school. Before the fight, there was not a day that went by that this kid didn't do SOMETHING, be it push me while in line, or push me from behind while I was peeing to make me miss or whatever, or thump my ear, etc. After the fight, that kid never, not once, ever, bothered me again. Nor any of his friends. Never had another problem for the rest of the year, really. Then I got into middle school...different building, different kids. The bullying started up again. I got into three separate fights in middle school, and got busted for fighting once. Got into trouble. But you wanna know how many problems I had with bullies after those first few fights? Not a single ****ing problem, from ANYONE. Did I WIN all three fights? No. One got busted up by a teacher, one I won handily, and the other I got beat up by three boys. Then high school. And I only had to get into ONE fight in highschool, to make the new round of bullying stop. And I beat THAT kid bloody. After that? Three years of school, sans bullying.

    I've had anger issues most my life. I am dealing with that now, and I feel I've gotten a lot better. it's the flip side, the ugly side, of the coin. Yes, determination, yes, all those other positive traits, all results of bullying. But also the anger. Do nothing about bullies, and you'll learn all you'll ever need to know about the kind of festering, seething rage that can poison a person for most of their young life. The kind of bottled up rage that causes a kid to go to school with guns and open fire. Or to kill themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Ok but how does a person with Aspergers who has no ability to "overcome" his disability overcome it. these are developmentally disabled persons who do not by their disability have the ability to defend themselves either verbally or otherwise. You are apparently not aware or do not realize/understand that there ARE people out there who cannot stand up for themselves or deal with the concept let alone the reality of bullying and when the school system not only fosters this behavior in students but in teachers as well as in my sons case, how is he to COPE? No one stood up for him NO ONE, No one helped him they told him to suck it up and be a man or ridiculed him because of his emotional responses which were the only ones he had.
    You may believe that faith makes all thing possible and that is fine for you. But the real world of the developmentally disabled has no such assurances. The only hope he had was the maybe someday this would end. the only faith he had was that he had faith is would not end. The school and school system also had faith that they could get away with doing this to my son and allowing it to happen without consequences. And they were right. I would like to mention another factor but the only thing I will say is that this happened in the south. You can draw from that whatever conclusions you wish. Unfortunately this is the rule here rather than the exception.

    My point is please realize that there are persons out there who do not fit into your mold or concept of these issues and that they are helpless in environments such as these. I have literally made myself sick trying to get my son out of that sitiation and as a result I am no longer able to work. My wife has faired just slightly better.

    Your 'facts of life" are not within his comprehension and can never be. If a subject like this comes up again I hope you keep my words in your mind.
    Is your son the target of bullies?

    Someone in your position, you have to be a lot more proactive, than others, like myself. I believe, anyway. In so many ways, you have to represent your son for him, in things that he is incapable of representing himself on.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No, I mean fisticuffs, pugilism. A physical altercation is every bullies worst fear. Do you think bullies care one way or another about getting into trouble? From my experience, most bullies are troubled kids to begin with, kids who already get into their fair share of trouble, either due to poor grades, skipping school, acting out in class, etc. Oft they are of the more popular class of kids, which is why other kids stand by and witness something so wrong as bullying, and do nothing about it.

    At first, I thought the same as you, though. I would tell a teacher. I would go home and tell my parents. My mom would go to school and talk to the teachers about it, etc. All of these things did nothing but make the problem worse, because it calls ATTENTION to it, which is what every bully wants. They want people focused on their target, and not themselves. It's like throwing chum into shark infested waters while there are divers overboard...it's asking for trouble. I got into my first real fight in 5th grade. With a kid who had been bullying me since I first started grade school. Before the fight, there was not a day that went by that this kid didn't do SOMETHING, be it push me while in line, or push me from behind while I was peeing to make me miss or whatever, or thump my ear, etc. After the fight, that kid never, not once, ever, bothered me again. Nor any of his friends. Never had another problem for the rest of the year, really. Then I got into middle school...different building, different kids. The bullying started up again. I got into three separate fights in middle school, and got busted for fighting once. Got into trouble. But you wanna know how many problems I had with bullies after those first few fights? Not a single ****ing problem, from ANYONE. Did I WIN all three fights? No. One got busted up by a teacher, one I won handily, and the other I got beat up by three boys. Then high school. And I only had to get into ONE fight in highschool, to make the new round of bullying stop. And I beat THAT kid bloody. After that? Three years of school, sans bullying.

    I've had anger issues most my life. I am dealing with that now, and I feel I've gotten a lot better. it's the flip side, the ugly side, of the coin. Yes, determination, yes, all those other positive traits, all results of bullying. But also the anger. Do nothing about bullies, and you'll learn all you'll ever need to know about the kind of festering, seething rage that can poison a person for most of their young life. The kind of bottled up rage that causes a kid to go to school with guns and open fire. Or to kill themselves.


    The only good bully is a bleeding bully.
    I do not prescribe to this. I learned a long time ago that my tongue is more of a weapon than my fists ever will be. In high school I was able to reduce a "bully" to tears. All I had to do was make sure I was around people when I did it. Also a little cloak and dagger never hurt either.

    In all the fights I have been in (few) or seen I have never seen any lasting effect come of it. You beat the piss out of someone but does that really change their minds. Around the winner (if there is such a thing) yes but in reallity Not a chance. I prefer long term solutions to the quick fix.

    If you mess with someones mind and other people see it, the effects are very long term. Those I used this tactic on stopped messing with others or me in short order. The people I fought did not.
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