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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Where are you getting that? The girl had naked pictured of her distributed across the web. Presumably she was a minor when that happened so it's kiddie porn. Furthermore she was beaten and left in a ditch. That's assault.

    Did you watch the video?
    Are you going to explain to me or my son how he should have just toughed it out?
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I'm sorry but only one person is responsible for this suicide.
    And yes, just as no one dies from lack of health insurance.

    Typical conservative myopia.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Are you going to explain to me or my son how he should have just toughed it out?
    I believe that my words were "deal with the issue" and "stand up for yourself". "Tough it out" is neither of those.

    Step one - Recognize that there is a problem. Bullies gravitate towards problems like moths to a flame so avoiding this step leads to certain doom.
    Step two - Figure out whether the problem is something that can be fixed or not. If it can be fixed then fix it. If it can't be fixed then it's a fact of life and the affected parties need to learn how to cope with the problem. As far as your particular issues I really can't give any specific advice because because I don't know the whole situation.
    Step three - Teach the kid how to cope. I have seen people with incredible odds against them do incredible things (Woman born with no arms becomes first pilot to fly plane using only feet)
    Step four - Have faith in your child that they can overcome their disability and don't have to be a victim to it. Faith is an incredibly powerful force but you have to really, honestly and completely believe in it. Faith is the key to making the impossible possible.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    EVERYONE must know how cruel kids can be. They can be ruthless and much more cruel than most adults would ever dare or want to be. Perhaps some children DO have poor coping skills, but a lot of times these kids will hide these kinds of things from the parents and teachers because they are embarrassed or what not (I didn't watch the complete video so I don't know if this girl sought help), and kids will make mistakes. They are only human beings. I just think some people are being rather harsh considering this was just a kid. I don't think she was "selfish" in the sense that some are making it sound. I think kids are only capable of so much critical-thinking skills, and they sometimes DO not realize the finality of what they are doing.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    How does "private schools are a lot better" suddenly become "kids in private schools never get bullied?"

    I didn't say that.

    I said private schools are BETTER. Most private schools have a better teacher to student ratio, so kids don't fall through the cracks as easily.


    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    So, kids don't get bullied in private schools now?

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    I'm so glad I went through my teen years before facebook, twitter et al. I can't imagine how some of these young folks are tortured today. I think many of us older folks forget that for most teenagers their whole world is social status i.e. fitting in. When people can attack that publicly like they can nowadays it has to be harsh. I don't really have an answer for it because the only answer I know is enough life experience to teach you it's not a big deal and to ingore a**holes.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    I'm so glad I went through my teen years before facebook, twitter et al. I can't imagine how some of these young folks are tortured today. I think many of us older folks forget that for most teenagers their whole world is social status i.e. fitting in. When people can attack that publicly like they can nowadays it has to be harsh. I don't really have an answer for it because the only answer I know is enough life experience to teach you it's not a big deal and to ingore a**holes.
    That certainly is a change.

    Back in the day your social ranking was pretty subjective but today they've got numbers to prove it! I figure that as a parent one of the primary jobs would be to get kids to understand that the online world doesn't necessarily indicate what's happening in the real world.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Maybe I am missing something here, are we talking about garden variety bullyies or street gangs. They are two totally diffrent breed of fish.
    Assault is assault.

    The same with threats of assault and slandering others.

    I see no reason why these things are illegal at 18 but legal at 17.


    And to suggest that adults should just sit back and allow people to be brutalized by groups of individuals just because they are in school is crazy, IMO.

    People are committing suicide over this and you think you should leave them alone?

    Amazing.

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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I believe that my words were "deal with the issue" and "stand up for yourself". "Tough it out" is neither of those.

    Step one - Recognize that there is a problem. Bullies gravitate towards problems like moths to a flame so avoiding this step leads to certain doom.
    Step two - Figure out whether the problem is something that can be fixed or not. If it can be fixed then fix it. If it can't be fixed then it's a fact of life and the affected parties need to learn how to cope with the problem. As far as your particular issues I really can't give any specific advice because because I don't know the whole situation.
    Step three - Teach the kid how to cope. I have seen people with incredible odds against them do incredible things (Woman born with no arms becomes first pilot to fly plane using only feet)
    Step four - Have faith in your child that they can overcome their disability and don't have to be a victim to it. Faith is an incredibly powerful force but you have to really, honestly and completely believe in it. Faith is the key to making the impossible possible.
    Ok but how does a person with Aspergers who has no ability to "overcome" his disability overcome it. these are developmentally disabled persons who do not by their disability have the ability to defend themselves either verbally or otherwise. You are apparently not aware or do not realize/understand that there ARE people out there who cannot stand up for themselves or deal with the concept let alone the reality of bullying and when the school system not only fosters this behavior in students but in teachers as well as in my sons case, how is he to COPE? No one stood up for him NO ONE, No one helped him they told him to suck it up and be a man or ridiculed him because of his emotional responses which were the only ones he had.
    You may believe that faith makes all thing possible and that is fine for you. But the real world of the developmentally disabled has no such assurances. The only hope he had was the maybe someday this would end. the only faith he had was that he had faith is would not end. The school and school system also had faith that they could get away with doing this to my son and allowing it to happen without consequences. And they were right. I would like to mention another factor but the only thing I will say is that this happened in the south. You can draw from that whatever conclusions you wish. Unfortunately this is the rule here rather than the exception.

    My point is please realize that there are persons out there who do not fit into your mold or concept of these issues and that they are helpless in environments such as these. I have literally made myself sick trying to get my son out of that sitiation and as a result I am no longer able to work. My wife has faired just slightly better.

    Your 'facts of life" are not within his comprehension and can never be. If a subject like this comes up again I hope you keep my words in your mind.
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    re: The bullies win again[W710; 739]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Those who acted against her as described should be charged for their crimes. It is that simple.
    For encouraging someone to kill themselves? So basically the crime is for suggestion? Where exactly is the right violation in that? I would very like to know when exactly we all started to think it was fine to punish people for suggestion.

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